Vibrant Life Testimonial
Arrangement Of Messages:
The top two messages are the heart of the exchange.
Then follow messages in a continuing sequence going back to the first message.
Then, those messages that FOLLOW the top message, are not the most significant of the exchange. These messages are in the sequence of old to new, and start HERE.
Dear G.M.,
I have a world view that is probably quite rare -- I am neither modest nor humble, and I am surprised when I find someone who can so acknowledge "my writings."
I thank you for seeing so and being able, yourself, to articulate such appreciation.
However
you may have read, there are thousands more web pages going far beyond mere
heart disease -- delving into philosophy of far greater consequence than the
trivial troubles a being in a meat body may have with a dependence on a
life-line of muscle and blood.
Still within the
bounds of that life-line, the lower photo on the right is of my wife, taken April 16,
2005. I cured her of Stage III+ Esophagus Cancer that was first diagnosed
in April 2004. My writings on cancer are more profound than those on heart
disease. As dramatic as the above sentence may seem, it pales when you add
the data that she went, with my agreement, entirely through conventional
treatment, was admitted into a hospice and together we planned her funeral.
SHE then decided to live, that decision being the senior "treatment" and I
helped carry it through. My some-thousand pages on this were published
well before we could claim earthly success.
It seems that
every new subject I turn to has a greater importance on the world scene than the
last ones. My latest publication SHOULD be earth-shaking. You may
enjoy this too:
http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/articles/p235.htm
The image on the right -- death hardly even warmed over -- depicts the face of the least recognized evil on this planet -- I'm doing what I can to bring this to public consciousness.
The
deeper truth is NOT that this conglomerate you mention is held together by a
nanometer of human tissue, but that the physical universe is held together by a
far less understood concept. It is this greater truth I yearn to preach.
Currently I labor
amongst the blood and muscle beca
use that gives me an exchange to keep my own
meat body satisfied. I've also written extensively about free radicals --
there are some physical universe truths I'm on the edge of disclosing in that
area.
The relationship between my wife and me is of that greater truth. But even that pales in comparison to the total picture. The duet above was also taken on April 16, 2005.
G.M., your language bespeaks a level of education and training far beyond ordinary ken. It fairly demands some credentials for the lay people to whom the diploma is the emotional currency of acceptance.
Who are you?
What can you add to this novel of novelty amongst web sites?
I have so more I am eager to share with you and others! How can I help you and what more would you like to do to forward these causes?
We ship often to New Zealand, so I'll ask Kimberly to respond to that question.
Regards,
Karl Loren
Hi again Karl
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From: Karl LorenTo: 'G.M.'Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 12:37 PMSubject: RE: Message to Karl Loren from Oral Chelation .comDear G.M.,You need to know the "political" origin of the suppositories -- it is not a path of ethics and honesty.So, their claim that the EDTA chelates mercury into the feces is just one claim -- there needs to be other similar data. I think that is there too.I don't think you will ever get the data you asked from them -- the claim that stomach acid neutralizes EDTA is a complete lie -- and easy to prove. I have that on my web site also.It takes some logic, but the data is that before IV chelation was around EDTA was used orally to remove lead. There was no question that "it worked." That data is mostly here and adjoining pages:Here is another page that shows the treachery of certain IV doctors I know well:My knowledge about the hidden guy involved in the suppositories goes back 20 years or more.I am learning better and better, more and more, that wise web shopping STARTS with comfort in the morality of the source, only then in the details about a product.Thanks,Karl Loren
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Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 2:21 PM
To: lct@oralchelation.com
Subject: Re: Message to Karl Loren from Oral Chelation .com
Many thanks Karl,It is a testament to your dedication and humanity that you go out of your way for others, to such and extent.Incidentally, I wrote to the Detoxamin company asking to see clinical data in support if their absorption claims, and claims that oral EDTA is neutralized by stomach acids. Haven't heard back. But when asking for a product and shipping price on their product I had an immediate response.Best wishesG.M.
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From: Karl LorenSent: Friday, April 15, 2005 4:29 AMSubject: RE: Message to Karl Loren from Oral Chelation .com
Dear G.M.,I designed LGB to be the least possible number of ingredients that would do the job -- just chelating. NAC is more powerful in this regard than Cysteine -- so, I included only NAC and EDTA. This is a very specialized formula -- intended to be used along with other sources of vitamins, according to the consumer's preferences.Chelation of mercury removes it through the feces -- not the urine.Thus, it is usually not looked for.My data on this is on these pages:EDTA Suppositories -- Another Validation Of Oral EDTA
... scientists have failed to discover what Dr. Viana allegedly discovered -- that
EDTA chelates mercury into the feces, not into the urine -- and further, ...
www.chelationtherapyonline.com/articles/p20.htm - 135k -Cached - Similar pages DMSA Chelation
... It bonds with them and flushes them out of the body via the feces and the ...
I was toxic with 8 metals including mercury. DMSA takes the metals out of ...
www.chelationtherapyonline.com/articles/p107.htm - 43k -Cached - Similar pages The Pauling Therapy Rejected
... The claim is that Dr. Carlos Viana (Aruba) found that EDTA is a POWERFUL
Mercury chelator. It comes out in the feces, after the THIRD bowel movement. ...
www.chelationtherapyonline.com/articles/p26.htm - 64k -Cached - Similar pages Protocol For The One Minute Push
... most of us are "safely" enduring this level of mercury etc in our bodies, ...
The resulting dramatic increase in toxic metals seen in urine and feces ...
www.chelationtherapyonline.com/ GarryGordon/ChelationResearch/p7.htm - 88k -Cached - Similar pages Technical Explanation Of Chelation Therapy
... burdens of heavy metals such as lead and mercury, which heretofore were ...
chelation of cytosolic iron and subsequent biliary excretion into the feces. ...
www.chelationtherapyonline.com/articles/p14.htm - 148k -Cached - Similar pages Oral EDTA Chelation Therapy In Lead Nephropathy
... It is the chelating agent of choice for mercury, arsenic, and gold poisoning,
... that 80% to 95% of the dose remains in the feces.6 [Despite this fact, ...
www.chelationtherapyonline.com/ GarryGordon/ChelationResearch/p18.htm - 49k -Cached - Similar pages Storage Of Fat In The Body
... Heavy metals like mercury and certain other water-soluble chemicals are such an
... 1 The three waste products (malas, in Ayurvedic Medicine) are feces ...
www.chelationtherapyonline.com/anatomy/p41.htm - 74k -Cached - Similar pages The Blood Circulation System
... Blood pressure is measured in mm of mercury; healthy young adults should have
... them as pigment in the bile, responsible for the color of feces. ...
www.chelationtherapyonline.com/articles/p198.htm - 93k -Cached - Similar pages
Karl Note: Messages to me are first screened and answered by Kimberly. On her discretion she forwards some to me for more personal attention. G.M.'s initial correspondence was handled by Kimberly. Kimberly and her second daughter are in the photo on the right.
Kimberly, my daughter, Maia, or my wife is usually the first one to answer phone calls here.
My daughter, Maia, and some of her children are in the white-water raft on the left, along with me -- on my 70th birthday. There are a few others of my grandchildren in that raft.
From: G.M.
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: Message to Karl Loren from Oral Chelation .com
Return to TopDear Kimberly,
Thank you for your reply and enclosed information.There is a bit of controversy concerning EDTA's ability to chelate mercury, which is my main concern. Does your product chelate mercury effectively? Also why does Life Glow Basic not have Cysteine, given that LGB is primarily a chelation product?, whereas it is in your other two products, LGP and SLG. Is it that Cysteine needs certain co-ingredients to work properly?Many thanksG.M.
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From: KimberlySent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:45 AMSubject: RE: Message to Karl Loren from Oral Chelation .com
Dear G.M.,Doing a quick search I was able to find this product.
In my opinion this product is a fraud. They have none of the chelation ingredients that you ask of.
Our products have all three key ingredients for chelation.Cheers,KimberlyEnclosure in Karl's words:
People sometimes ask me what is the difference between Life Glow Plus and Super Life Glow?That's a good question and actually has a long answer.
That answer is partly on the following page:
http://www.oralchelation.com/lgmch1.html
If you read that background you'll have a full story. But, assuming you have read that, or don't need the full story, the answer is that I originally designed Super Life Glow to be the best possible formula. I didn't care how the ingredients costs -- I just wanted the "best."
Then, when I changed Life Glow from tablets to capsules, changed the formula, changed the name to Life Glow Plus, I was left with Super Life Glow NOT changed.
I have now changed Super Life Glow to include ALL of the ingredients of Life Glow Plus, and also added in the same ingredients which are in Super Life Glow but not included in the Life Glow Plus -- I have also increased the amount of Arginine in the SLG, compared with the LGPlus.
The price difference is enormous.
One bottle of Life Glow Plus is $50, or $150 for four bottles. Each bottle is 300 capsules, and I recommend 20 per day. So, one bottle of LGP is one half month supply.
One bottle of Super Life Glow is $90, or $210 for four bottles. Each bottle is 300 capsules, and I recommend 30 per day. So, one bottle of SLG is 10 days.
You see a big difference in cost. But, the extra ingredients in SLG are exactly the reason. The extras are particularly expensive ingredients. If you know them well, you'll recognize SLG as a bargain, indeed, but not many people fully understand the cost or value of some of these ingredients.
Money will be a large factor in deciding between these two products.
If you want "the best" and want to spend that level of money, go for SLG. If you are on a budget and don't spend money without careful thought, you will probably be happier with LGP and still get excellent results.
Let me know.
From: vibramps (Vibrant Life) [mailto:vibramps (Vibrant Life)]
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:55 AM
To: extract3@oralchelation.com
Subject: Message to Karl Loren from Oral Chelation .com
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Date: Wednesday April 13, 2005
Time: 06:54:30 AM -0600
message:
Dear Karl,
Further to my recent email I have now read your page on suppositories vs oral chelation. I've written to the company asking for clinical data concerning absorption rates and as regards EDTA being destroyed by stomach acids. Won't be touching that product (Detoxamin)
What I'm most interested in is removing mercury from my system but I understand EDTA is not for this. There is a product called NDF Plus. Have you heard of it and if so what do you think?
Do you have a product that has the three Chelators Cysteine, NAC and EDTA?
Great site
Thanks
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Hi Loren
----- Original Message -----From: G.M.Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 8:24 PMSubject: comment
Hi there,I read with interest Saul Green's assessment of chelation therapy. It is pointless going into detail in terms the various data, and relative trials. The argument is infinitely more psychological than evidential.It reminds me of the extraordinary debate over the assassination of John F Kennedy. It doesn't matter how unequivocal evidence is presented that Lee Oswald shot Kennedy there are those who insist that there was a conspiracy. And it's not just nutters and quacks that believe this. Remember the US Senate committee that found there probably was a conspiracy to assassinate the US president. We see that same phenomenon today in the UK as regards the former Princess of Wales. A high level inquiry into her death, when the impetus for this is clearly the result of loud and fanatical nostalgia freaks and malcontents.As I say, I don't need to go into detail about the chelation trials, for example, one in my home town of Dunedin at the University of Otago. You know the facts.I guess it is best summarized as follows. Try imagining being connected to something like a lie detector and asking the following question. If a comprehensive double-blind trial was done where those taking EDTA improved to a statistically significant degree over a placebo group, how would that make you feel? How would the detector register?The reality would be many suffering fellow citizens being relieved of considerable disease and suffering by virtue of a cheap and safe treatment. And yet, still, we know the answer to the above question.You see that's the trouble. Once a person loudly commits themselves to a position and gains a certain status upholding that position there becomes a exponentially increased need and desire to service that position. Forget incentives like financial gain. One's identity is an infinitely more powerful force. It requires extraordinary character and emotional literacy to wrest oneself from such a position and admit defeat, regardless of matters of truth, commons sense and suffering to others. Human nature?!RegardsG.M. M
Sent April 18, 2005
Dear G.M.,
The hope with your message to Quackwatch is honorable, but the fact is that these people are, in fact, failed psychiatrists and will never be swayed by logic or facts.
Psychiatrists, and many others, make the mistake of trying to "figure out" insanity. The truth is that there is no way of "understanding" that which is "insane." There are causes, of course, for insanity, but they are far more complex than the insane behavior itself.
It is not fruitful to try to understand insanity -- it is helpful to quarantine or expel the insane from society since their afflictions are contagious -- mentally.
The Quackwatch people are undoubtedly financed, secretly, by drug interests -- their only source of power is that secret funding -- so the better enemy to confront is the drug industry. And, of all the drugs that do harm the psychiatric drugs do the most harm and will be the hardest to eliminate from society -- so attacking the "mere tools" of the criminals will not do good, but exposing their secrete funding, or the crimes of their money sources? These actions will help.
Regards,
Karl Loren
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