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Congratulations!! B-R-A-V-O!! You sure say some heavyweight true facts! What we only murmured in our conversations, you have brought to the pragmatic dimension.
You are right in many of the fact you write, and I say this as a member of the medical profession. We who have studied in Europe are very skeptical of US medical practice for being too interventionist [unilateralism & materialism seems to be in the heart of all US intervention]. Do we admit Celebrex and Vioxx, just because of the Lab's marketing? ...aren't we supposed to have studied Pharmacology to criticize these harmful drugs for our friends - our patients??
The misuse and abuse of MRI, CT-scans, etc. and interpreted as tumors - which almost any person alive with >45 yrs. can have - and "pre-empted" as cancer?....... well, I believe that is the worst genocide in world history.
What happened to our most valuable maxim: "Primum
The US medical profession must first try to give free Medicine to every citizen before it can do these minute obsession and cult for the $$$$.....
BECAUSE MEDICINE IS LIKE DEMOCRACY &
freedom..... if it cannot be given to everybody, it's for nobody!
Hurray to you........ you're a voice in the dessert, shouting the truth and possibly saving more people than the whole AMA. More power to you and your team - you are not alone - count me in, amigo! You're the Marx "Humanist" of the 21st. Century.
My most cordial regards,
F. Morato, M.D.
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First no harm!
I'll enclose my article on that oath -- I think you'll enjoy that.
Wow! an MD!!!!
May I publish your letter -- with credentials?? it would be rare.
Here is the do no harm stuff.
Received April 13, 2005
On this condition: As long as there is no mention that I endorse some therapy you propose in your site, you can publish my letter and even correct it - in this case, I reserve the right to peruse the correction before you can publish it.
My Physician's license number is European [Valencia, Spain] and is:
Physician's License #: 6676. You have all my other data. already.
Again: Bravo for you and team - more power - and let's finish with the poor image Medicine is getting for the past 15 years....... the Age of Avarice!
Feel free to contact me anytime; best regards, Francisco
I've published your two messages here:
There were about four words I changed the spelling on -- no other changes.
Give a look -- see what you might like to add.
I'll feature this page in my weekly newsletter that goes out on May 18, 2005, a few days before my 74th birthday.
You may consider this "your" page and can add comments on anything else, whether from my web sites or not.
If you want to send along a photo -- I'll add that to the page.
If you have any Patient "success stories" or testimonials, I'll publish those too.
When I used the word "rare" with you -- I was referring to the fact that very few "regular MDs" ever have been willing to agree with me publicly.
I suppose you know that I lived in the Philippines for a few years -- worked as the EVP for Delgado Bros. Transportation. The Delgados own the Hilton Hotel, and other businesses.
The two brothers each have eldest sons who had received MBA degrees in the US and were younger than I. Their fathers figured it would be helpful to their sons to have a man with an MBA (Harvard) help in the transition from the old style of management (theirs) to the new MBA style for their sons.
I won't say that this job was a big success for me, but I certainly enjoyed the Philippines and the people.
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Thank for the email and advanced HAPPY BIRTHDAY & MANY MORE TO COME - may you have a superb celebration in the midst of your loved ones!
Karl, what a small world: I know the Delgados [Ricky and Robby] a lot
- well we studied together High School and we are all from Class '61 of Ateneo de Manila.
Robby lives 20 days in Manila + 10 days in Canada every month [has the family there]; Ricky owns Guam's Verison and goes there once or twice a month too though he stay much in Manila. You will celebrate your 74th. B'day and we are 60 yrs old....... is that correct with your memory of them?
When I see them, I will surely say hello for you, Karl.
I know exactly what you mean by "rare" but Vive la diferance!.... this new age medical avarice must be put on the chair of the accused, and you are just on the right track.
Thanks for offering to put my picture but I do not like protagonism and prefer to be your invisible "guardian angel".
Karl, you are a crusader, as your admirable Ralph Nader - do keep up the fight and let the truth keep us free.
Cordial regards to you and the team and lets keep in touch.
Good to hear all the news.
I thought of myself as very young then -- it is a shock to think of them as 60 now!!!
I thought I would give you a quick background on my stay at Delgado Bros.
One of the brothers who hired me liked me a lot -- the other one didn't. When the one who liked me was out of the country I made the foolish mistake of going to the other one, my direct boss at that time, to complain about a "morals situation" in the Company.
There is obviously a great deal more that could be said, and may well be said differently depending on who you talk to! I was fired and given a few minutes to leave the building -- with an armed guard at the door to make sure I did not come back.
This was a stupid thing for me to do -- I was still riding high on the glory of the "Harvard MBA" and learned a few years later what should be the proper management technology.
But, as you might see, my interest in exposing "wrong-doing" was just as keen then as it is now -- it is just now aimed more effectively.
Oh, Franco, I was using my "real name" in those years -- "Loren C. Troescher." I don't know if Ricky or Robby ever much learned of my professional name and activities.
Do not worry, i will not mention anything to the 2 Delgados - what for? I promise I won't as these matters are better left for the past.
I will share one thing with you though: At MBA you do not learn of the idiosyncracies of the races and in Philippine business environment the rule is: Intrigues and paranoia - and I believe that is what happened and that you nor Ricky and Robby are at fault, but somebody else in the Company. Believe me, I know what I'm talking about and have been a crusader on this matter here - in fact a multinational company's CEO believed me to the point of taking back all of the foreign expatriates in their offices here and leave it all to locals. I was astounded but he followed each word I advised him to do and voila!........!!
I believe that: a CRUSADER of even lost cases is born that way and is not made....... you and I we are modern Don Quixote and face countless windmills throughout life but........... we are born that way!
Thanks for your frankness and best regards - Franco
You are so right on the culture. I'll tell you another big goof of mine.
You must have known Robbie's grandfather? I forget his name? Paco?
He was the first Philippine Envoy to the Vatican -- a very big deal for a Catholic country.
When I was hired they had just finished building a new office, and had not planned for a new senior exec in that space. They, of course, had fine offices in the Hilton.
The old man (Paco ?) did have an office in the new building. I didn't know anything of his background or the cultural importance of his status.
So, when I started they had no office space for me -- I was actually sitting at a clerk's desk.
In my grand Harvard style I finally called for blueprints of the building and looked for a suitable office. I found Paco's!
I asked who used it. Answer, Grandfather now and then.
I was very casual: "Oh, he doesn't need that space. Move him out and I'll take that space."
Well, that was met with great silence -- no one ever said a word to me.
I know that I finally got a nice office with a private toilet!!!
I don't think he got moved.
But, I was completely insensitive to the importance of Paco's status and I was acting boorishly.
Once I got back to the US, and started learning the management technology taught by Mr. L. Ron Hubbard, I realized many stupid mistakes I had made in earlier life.
I have been, of course, a member of the Church of Scientology for these past 30 years and owe any improvement in my approach to that.
I discovered Scientology while I was still in the Philippines -- so that has always been my place of "re-birth."
What is your medical practice like?
We have a Philippina housekeeper == Peggy Lucero -- has been with us for more than 10 years. I think she might be older than I!!
That was fast! Since we met, I haven't been with xx nor yy
so believe me I haven't and won't say anything - these matters are better
forgotten on both sides.
Believe me when I say about our business environment or culture......C-R-A-Z-Y and never focused to our poor + overt institutional corruption ....what do you want more, Karl?
While I'm in Manila, I do not exercise Medicine [I do not even have a license here, as mine is European], but I do free medicine for the poor in the slums, and every person in need. I'm a family physician, a specialty in Europe, and all my patients are almost family to me, sharing our lives; my practice is Valencia, Spain, and my patients come fetch me every evening to have dinner with them NIGHTLY.... thank God I'm divorced cause I would have a problem...... but it's a nice feeling.
At the same time, I am the Philippine representative in Valencia and Albacete - a Consul General - BUT I DON'T ACCEPT SALARY FROM ANY CORRUPT GOVERNMENT.....
I pay for everything and don't accept dirty money + reserve
the right to criticize the govt. when I want to.
LOVELY, KARL...... you feel like a million $$$$$$. Since the last the coup-de-etat
I have tendered my irrevocable resignation and finished it all - I always wanted
to help the country but not to the point of a being a fool, and I won't do it
ever again even if they name me the king of the country!!..... ha, ha, ha. These
people have to be taught principles and convictions... and I will ....TRY.
Take care and keep it up, Karl - you have a friend somewhere in Asia, Francisco
Are you like me? At the computer 20+ hours per day??
I do enjoy personal exchanges -- have many such.
Asia? That was a mystery-type reference? What's that about? One of my best of friends lives in Mumbai -- we eMail several times per week. I buy tons of MSM from him -- ship all over the planet.
Don't tell? That is not at all my philosophy. I tell all, about myself, or others.
So, do not think to protect me in any way.
I am responsible for my errors as my achievements -- I don't hide either.
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