Will Germanium Cure Multiple Sclerosis?
Vibrant Life Testimonial
Multiple Sclerosis is a
disease of civilized man, and, like many other diseases of our modern age, it is
a disease of an overactive and misdirected immune system. The specific reasons
for this are unclear, but a prominent theory relates heavy metals like mercury,
lead and aluminum as the agents that might replace normal molecules in the
myelin sheaths, leading to an onslaught of
free
radical damage which destroys the myelin sheaths,
resulting in MS. In addition, the immune system now sees this tissue as foreign,
because of the replacement of heavy metals, and produces antibodies which attack
the myelin, leading to further damage. (source)
November 26, 2002
Dear Karl,
Hello, whilst surfing the web looking for testimonials on germanium I came
across this site. After reading some of your writings I realized you are an
honest man which is nice to know as the web has many unscrupulous people
claiming untruths.
Karl I suffer from MS and have recently been recommended
(by my naturopath- Jan-De-Vries) to try organic germanium, I have purchased some
from Geranti pharm ltd and was wondering just what or how I'll feel when I start
taking the capsules? I would be most grateful for any info you may be able to
offer! many thanks
Steve
Dear Steve,
First, as far as I know, I have
the only source of germanium purchased from the Asai Research Institute.
All other Ge on the web seems to
hide their source, and is probably Chinese.
It may be OK.
As to dosage and expectations? I
can do no better than refer you to Dr. Asai's book, on my web site. That book
is out of print and is the best source of help.
Probably 2,000 mg per day would be
a strong and effective dose.
Results should be soon, or not at all.
In other words, you should see
improvement in 30 days or less.
It would cost a great deal, but if
you get the results, of course, it would be worth it.
Let me know.
Karl Loren
-----Original Message-----
From: s.barrington [mailto:s.barrington@ntlworld.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 7:55 AM
To: karl@karlloren.com
Subject: thanks!
Dear Karl
thank you for your reply to my email
when I asked you about 'GERMANIUM' I forgot to give you the web address of
the company it is:- www.gerantipharm.com I'd be grateful if you could
have a look & let me know what you think?
Karl have you heard of any M.S sufferers using 'GERMANIUM'? If you have, could
you possibly direct me to them so I may enquire as to whether it was of help
I can find no records/testimonials of M.S'rs & GERMANIUM on the web???
anyway thank you for your help & time
regards
Steve
Dear Steve,
I see only Japanese there?
The only source I would consider
is Asai Research Institute. (Later I added Tokai Sangyo.)
I was originally the exclusive
agent for Tokai Sangyo in Japan, and they may still sell honest GE -- they
were the only licensed company to make it and sell non-prescription Ge.
Now, Asai sells non-prescription
Ge.
Tokai did not answer my queries --
no English available, I suspect.
I don't offer referrals except
those in my testimonial section -- don't recall putting any there about Ge.
Regards,
karl
-----Original Message-----
From: s.barrington [mailto:s.barrington@ntlworld.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 10:49 AM
To: karl@karlloren.com
Subject: antidepresant?
Dear Karl
this may be a strange question but as you are straight up & have helped me
before (Germanium), I thought you might give me your opinion
I suffer from M.S & for the past 1.5 years have been following the 'Roger
Macdougall diet' & trying where possible to use natural remedies instead of
orthodox drugs so as not to poison my body however! I am now suffering from
depression & my doctor has prescribed 'FLUOXETINE HYDROCHLORIDE' which I believe
is PROZAC I am very worried about taking this as I am taking 'ENHANCED NERVE
FACTORS' for depression or so I was told!
my question is will the ENHANCED NERVE FACTORS sort the depression out & what is
your view of FLUOXETINE HYDROCHLORIDE?
I have been taking E.N.F for apx 1 week and realize it takes time but would
Germanium help against depression
I should be most grateful for any help you may be able to offer
many thanks
Steve
Dear Steve,
There is NO chemical remedy for depression.
I feel so strongly about this that I refuse
to help anyone, or sell anything, to someone taking any psychiatric drug.
They are evil.
I probably have more pages
about the harm done to both the individual and to society by anti-depressants
-- more pages than any other web site in the world.
Dear Steve,
Any doctor who recommends a psych
drug -- you should not see him again.
He is not your friend.
Read this first link with care.
Dear Steve,
I don't know that diet, but I do
know the right diet for you -- it is very hard, you won't agree, but if you
do, you can save your life.
Regards,
karl
Dear Steve,
What helps against depression?
I can help, not with chemicals,
but first you must be off any such drug, and turn in the doctor pusher so I
can publish his name.
ONLY then can I be sure you are
disconnected from the pusher.
Let me know.
You may need the detox in the
first link -- to get rid of the drugs in your body. Far more important than
MS -- drugs make you incapable of getting better.
Karl Loren
Dear Steve,
I generally always advise
against any vaccinations.
However, if I were going
to some strange foreign country, I would probably accept them.
I always advise against
silver fillings, and advise to have them removed as soon as possible.
The silver, as you know,
is about 50% mercury.
I would advise you use
oral chelation to remove the mercury, immediately, and to continue when the
fillings are removed.
I don't recall, but if you
are taking any anti-depressant, I would urge onto you the fact that your
health is doomed as long as you stay on them and that I feel so strongly about
this that I refuse to sell any of my products to anyone taking any such drug.
Regards,
Karl Loren
-----Original Message-----
From: s.barrington [mailto:s.barrington@ntlworld.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 10:58 AM
To: Karl Loren
Subject: vaccinations? mercury de-tox?
Hi Karl,
I hope you are well
Can you please advise me as to what precautions & vaccinations I need to
take when I go to SRI LANKA? you may not remember me, but sometime ago you
helped me with advice on GERMANIUM & ANTIDEPRESSANTS !! I live in the UK & I
have M.S.
Also what are your views on AMALGAM filings? I actually have 4 & I have
been told they could be the cause of my symptoms??!!
obviously I am interested in this but I know exactly who's advice to ask for
of such a matter 'YOU'!!!
I do hope you can help
many thanks
Steve
Dear Steve,
Good for you.
I lived in Africa for three years, had malaria, and took quinine. I
was very sick, but don't think there has been any after-effect.
I've also traveled all over Africa and Asia, and had lots of shots --
today I believe differently. When I was young I accepted them.
I feel very strongly that the mental condition of "happy" can never be
created by a chemical -- except to make you drugged happy.
So happiness can be achieved -- with the advice on this web page.
There is no need to stop taking Germanium when taking my vitamins.
I will soon be announcing that virtually all the germanium being sold
in the US is fake -- bought from China, and no seller will ever tell you that.
I am concluding an arrangement with Tokai Sangyo, Japan, the only
company in the world with the patent rights to make germanium.
But, that story will be published in a few weeks.
In the mean time, there is a batch of truth already here:
More pages about germanium than any other site in the world.
My very good friend, Dr. Ayyangar, is a doctor of Ayurvedic and we are
now developing a whole line of Ayurvedic formulas.
Regards,
Karl
-----Original Message-----
From: s.barrington [mailto:s.barrington@ntlworld.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 10:58 AM
To: Karl Loren
Subject: vaccinations? mercury de-tox?
Hi Karl,
I hope you are well
Can you please advise me as to what precautions & vaccinations I need to
take when I go to SRI LANKA? you may not remember me, but sometime ago you
helped me with advice on GERMANIUM & ANTIDEPRESSANTS !! I live in the UK & I
have M.S.
Also what are your views on AMALGAM filings? I actually have 4 & I have
been told they could be the cause of my symptoms??!!
obviously I am interested in this but I know exactly who's advice to ask for
of such a matter 'YOU'!!!
I do hope you can help
many thanks
Steve
Dear Steve,
There might be another patent, but there could not be TWO patents for
the same substance.
Also, I am certain that the Chinese are one of the major sources of
Ge, and that they do NOT use the Asai Patent.
I have private communications with Tokai Sangyo, in Japan. They say
that ever sample of "Ge" they have ever tested, except their's, is fake.
So, I doubt very much of there is an honest source other than Tokai.
They say:
|
Geranti Bio-Germanium |
|
<Geranti Bio-Ge> is natural type of
organic Germanium that was invented The 1st in the World by biosynthesis
technology of GERANTI Pharm Ltd. in 1993.
|
A "natural type" of organic Ge is a
puzzling term.
"Natural" implies that the Ge comes from plants. That is not
practical -- because the amount of Ge that occurs naturally in plants is much
to small to make it viable to remove it.
The Chinese stuff claims the same, but it never reaches the chemical
similarity to the Asai Ge, which is synthesized -- that is how Dr. Asai got
the patent.
Karl
Dear Karl,
Thank you for putting my mind at ease (over my pin!), Maia confirmed my order
yesterday & I await delivery.
I would just like to say how polite & helpful Maia was
(not to say how efficient she was!)
Now Karl!!!
I feel somewhat foolish, that I have been fooled by "Geranti-pharm" into
believing I have been taking "Germanium"!
Here is the sales site: www.bio-g.com
And here is a direct statement from 'Sandra Goodman PhD' saying 'they are the
only ones she knows of' making & trialing Organic Germanium! (you'll find her
statement after the letter on 'HIV & Germanium'
www.positivehealth.com/permit/Articles/Letters/letter85.htm
I do not know if she is a part of the MLM? but for someone who researched Dr.
Asai back in he late 80's she seems to know nothing of the "Asai Research
Institute"??? making GE!
I hope you find this info helpful
regards
Steve
Wow!
She is my daughter, but my style has not yet rubbed off on her.
I love her too.
Karl
Dear Steve,
I've published data from both your references along with my previous
stuff.
Sandra? I recall her book -- it was worthless back in the days when
my book came out.
Karl
Dear Karl,
first I congratulate & thank you for all your excellent work on exposing
"Geranti" for what they are! FRAUDSTERS !!!!
Karl I started LGP 3/1/03 at the dosage of 20 per day, it is now 5 days into my
oral chelation & I have been experiencing:
day 1, - niacin flush all over body (except around a mole on my back?!) +
itching.
day 2-present, flushes + itching decreasing but felt jittery? & irregular bowel
movements? + slight bloating with extremely smelly flatulence!! & feeling tired!
You tell us on your site about the flushes, bloating & about ensuring bowel
movements, & common sense tells me the smellies are because of the irregularity
but feeling jittery? & tired? anyway 'your the man' so I thought I'd better
check with you if what I'm experiencing is normal or??!!
I tried to find info on adverse reactions on your sites & only found what you
had stated!
I'd appreciate any advice & hope all is going to plan?
many thanks
Steve
Dear Steve,
I may have already sent this link? For adverse reactions?
For the niacin flush, this page:
It would be very unusual to have the niacin flush with the low amount
of niacin in my formula, but that level will "wear off" in just a day or two
-- so that experience should disappear.
The stomach upset could go on -- and my advice on the linked page
should give you mental comfort if not physical.
The plan? Yes, I think you are doing fine.
Let me know?
Thanks,
Karl Loren
-----Original Message-----
From: s.barrington [mailto:s.barrington@ntlworld.com]
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 9:10 AM
To: Karl Loren
Subject: Baby Thomas!
Dear Karl,
First I am doing fine on LGP, its been 9 days now & I've been feeling a bit
tired & somehow I feel that toxic metals are being pulled from my head (a
strange sensation!) but I feel happy knowing whatever is being pulled out
shouldn't be there!!!
Now Karl, the reason for this mail is I am extremely worried about a lovely
baby boy (1yr 5mnth)! named Thomas.
He is son to Geraldine (an ex girlfriend of mine) who's partner wanted
nothing to do with Thomas & promptly vanished before the birth!
now Geraldine is on her own doing a great job bringing up Thomas as best she
can but Geraldine & I have had a major difference of opinions of 'The
Medical Association' in the past! after all a single mum should be able to
trust the doctors right?!
well you know & I know that isn't always the case! due to my illness (MS) &
her being stressed out with the pressure of being a mum (1st birth) we
argued a lot so I decided to step back & just keep informed by my mother
(who is friends & adores Thomas) as to how they are!
Every time I see my mother she tells me they are both sick! her with worry +
despair & him with 'a rash and temperature' 'lumps that appear & disappear',
'very pale all time' & 'a stiff neck' he cant talk! he just moans!
He has been diagnosed as being 'Gluten + Dairy + Sugar intolerant'
(something I suspected when he was only 5 months) & to my disapproval she
vaccinated him with the MMR! he's just started to fall whilst he is
walking!!
I know he's a baby but could these be signs of toxic metals?
Geraldine has Amalgam fillings (I'm not sure how many) could he be affected
from them?
Karl how can I help Thomas? he's a lovely child & recently Geraldine
enquired about me (as certain things I stated in the past have now been
shown to be true) & she wants to see me.
I'm not sure what I'd do if he were my child? but is there something she can
do as her doctors have started talking of Steroids!!!! & I have experienced
that CRAP! & its not for him!!!!
I'd appreciate any help
yours sincerely
Steve
Dear Steve,
Good for you!
I think I just answered
Geraldine?
The kid has turmoil in his
family -- missing father.
This makes him sick --
there is need for emotional healing there -- she can do it, and no psych drug
or counseling should be used.
Read with care -- get her
to read.
KL
Dear Steve,
No vitamin or nutrient can
help Thomas.
Thomas needs a calm home
-- Geraldinne needs to get over her stress -- but drugs will make her worse.
SHE has other wrong
relationships in her life -- or she would not be sick.
Thomas has very major
turmoil in his life -- he would not have any sickness if he had a happy home.
Nothing else matters
except this.
SHE must see the validity
-- if she cannot, you cannot help her.
Let her read that article,
Also, I have an entire
web,
She is guilty of child
abuse as long as Thomas is in an upset home.
Karl
Hi Karl
I hope this finds you in good health
Karl, while I was reading about Mercury on your sites I came across the
statement that Mercury loves Sulphur & it will compete for it & even damage
cells in its attempt to get it!
can you please tell me why it loves it?! as I find it very interesting
also Karl, my mother has just been told she has 'scaring in the lungs' the
hospital put her on antibiotics! she doesn't like them & they make her sick
she is constantly trying to cough so would MSM help her?
P.S
I am well into detoxing now, 24th day, 20 caps LGP!
I must have a lot of crap in my body because I feel tired most of the time!
BUT I AM SLEEPING BETTER THAN I HAVE DONE SINCE.........I CANT REMEMBER!!!!!
many thanks
Steve
Dear Steve,
That about MSM may be on my web site, but I don't believe it is my
writing.
Please give me the exact address?
I have no data that suggests this is true.
Scaring would not be a sign of living organisms causing harm.
Antibiotic is something "against life" or against a germ or living
thing.
This sounds crazy - - there may or may not be a need for antibiotic,
and scaring MAY have been caused by bacteria (I doubt it) but it is not a sign
that the bacteria are there now to be killed by an antibiotic.
Cough? No MSM is not the remedy. It won't hurt, but is not likely to
help.
Honest oregano oil (a few drops under the tongue) can help -0- depends
on the source of the cough -- source should be Purity Products. I don't sell
it, but I do us it.
Karl Loren
Dear Steve,
None of that page is my writing.
I included it as "information" and it was put there some years ago.
The data is probably all OK. But, mostly that data is beyond my knowledge of
chemistry.
I think the truth you look for is in a different direction.
Cysteine is a sulfur-type amino acid. Cysteine binds to mercury, and
thus gets rid of it from the body.
You were probably concerned with this:
The problem is Mercury
simply "Loves
Sulfur" too much. So much so,
that it will compete with other molecules for Sulfur and can usually "steal"
Sulfur out of other molecular structures, in effect killing them.
Mercury (Hg) interacts
Frankly I think this is fancy language, but the more technical
explanation is here:
It is not that sulfur is "looking" for sulfur, but Cysteine bumps into
mercury and sticks to it.
There may be much more to this that I have not studied == I study
chemistry only in the narrow areas where it has impact on oral chelation and
heart disease and cancer.
My opinion, and that of others, is that chelation
therapy offers the brightest promise of health help on the medical horizon
today!
Probably the foremost authority and expert on chelation
therapy today is Dr. Elmer Cranton, author of Bypassing Bypass, and other
Books. He says:
Free Radical Causes of Degenerative
Disease
-----Original Message-----
From: s.barrington [mailto:s.barrington@ntlworld.com]
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:27 AM
To: Karl Loren
Subject: GOOD NEWS!?
Dear Karl
I am writing for some re-assurance as to whether all I am experiencing is
normal as I can't find any detailed testimonies (which include initial, adverse
reactions to Life Glow Plus) on your webs?
So I'm asking you!
Don't get me wrong, I'm not scared or anything, its just that I have been
taking LGP at full dose for 28 days & I am still feeling very tired?
(started after 7 days apx)
Is this a sign of my body working hard to get the metals? & if so, how much
longer do you expect before I start feeling better
I am sleeping soundly! which is appreciated as I used to frequent often at
night - thanks!
But I still have coldness in my right hand & foot, also I have what looks
like broken capillaries on my feet (something that disappeared on the first
niacin flush) but now they just look bruised (especially the r/foot)?
Now I know I have MS & you don't claim LGP to help MS but I am at war with MS
and my first offensive was to get rid of my Amalgams & to clear Mercury from
my body.
After much research I found & chose your product to use in coalition with
Amalgam removal as my first offensive!
Who knows 'IT MAY BE ENOUGH!' but even if it isn't, I will have alleviated
the burden of the antagonists of not just Mercury but a number of Toxic
Metals producing 'Free - Radicals' in my body! Thus I shall be stronger and
my foe weaker for the second offensive!!.....I thank you for your knowledge
& for broadening my own!
I'm not sure if you are aware of this but I think this is the first official
clinical trial that has just been published on the effects of Amalgam
removal.
www.nel.edu/press/NEL23_PR_Dental-amalgam_Lindh%2Oet%2Oal.htm
I am currently studying it & its going to open some eyes I believe (if not
mouths!!)
Anyway maybe you could use the trial somehow for your chelation products?
I don't know
Hopefully you can see my need for assurance (if that's the word) as my first
removal is 11-4-03 & I'm a little anxious
many thanks for your time
Steve
Dear Steve,
The only adverse effects
I've had reported are described, with handling, here:
Feeling tired? That could
be some sort of detox? It is not specific enough.
The link above describes
the exact procedure to follow -- you don't change anything, but stop LGP for a
few days -- see if there is a change -- then start, it is all on that page.
That amalgam removal is
APRIL?? or November?
You can use the capsules
DURING the removal. Just open a capsule and empty the contents into the mouth
-- it won't taste all that good. But, the immediate contact with the contents
and the amalgam -- even the vapor -- will bind the mercury even in the mouth
-- then wash and spit out -- doing this several times during the removal.
If the dentist is very
familiar with this removal, he would know that Cysteine, or EDTA, by
themselves are often used this way.
My LGB would be a better
product for this purpose since it has only four ingredients --
The amalgam study? It
shows as a missing page just now -- perhaps it is temporary.
I can read the Google
cache of it, but it seems to be very precise as to a dozen different
substances to be used. That is not very practical.
Let me know how the test
on adverse reactions goes for you.
Cold feet SHOULD have
gotten warm by now -- does MS affect circulation? There could be something
there I don't know about.
Karl Loren
-----Original Message-----
From: s.barrington [mailto:s.barrington@ntlworld.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 10:31 AM
To: Karl Loren
Subject:
http://www.nel.edu/pdf_w/23_56/NEL235602A12_Lindh_wr.pdf
Hi Karl
thanks for your advice, I am having my first 2 amalgams out on the 11th
April followed by the remaining 3 on the 25th April and I only have "Life
Glow Plus" capsules as I will be ordering again at the end of the month
(April) when I can afford it (the customs charge me £40 apx!!)
MS does affect the circulation (it interferes with nerve signals)
I'm so happy that you are involved with "Ayur Veda" as this is going to be
my 2nd offensive! I am going to "Sri Lanka" to balance myself for apx 2-3
weeks, I look forward to reading your web on it!!
Karl I just visited the Amalgam removal trial & it appears to be back? so I
went to the PDF (you can view it for free or buy it)
I copied that link & here it is
http://www.nel.edu/pdf_w/23_56/NEL235602A12_Lindh_wr.pdf
thanks for your help & time
Steve
Dear Steve,
My stuff on Ayurveda may
now sit well with you. I acknowledge the ancient wisdom of herbs, but the
modern ritual of treatments -- a ritual that seems rich with significance, but
which, I feel, is ritual only, while the herbs do all the work.
Let me know how it goes.
Karl
Hello Karl,
I hope this mail finds you & your wife in good health!
I had my last amalgam removed yesterday! : )
The dentist took 3 appointments to do 5 amalgams & I must admit health wise I've
gone up & down like a roller coaster! On 4-22-03 I received my latest order
including a sample of your new "Herbal MSM"
I'm not sure if I jumped the gun but I was scheduled for my 2nd dental app't on
4-25-03 so I immediately
took a heaped tps into my mouth, mixed it until dissolved (apx 1.5 teaspoons) &
swallowed! I must admit the taste was a bit funny but like you said it would
diminish & it did! After I had the dental work I carried on taking 1 heaped tsp
+ 20 L.G.P per day I noticed I slept like a log! & my movements started to
improve when all of a sudden I just felt totally washed out! in fact I could
barely lift my legs to get up the steps leading to my home!!
Needless to say I was a bit concerned as my last app't was 05-07-03 & I was
determined to not miss the app't because it would mean a lengthy wait to book
another app't so I stopped everything & thought I'll contact you after my dental
work is complete.
Although I have resumed the L.G.P (straight after my app't) I am a bit unsure as
to the Herbal MSM?
Do you think I started to detox & that was the cause of my fatigue? or do you
think there is some other reason?
I have been extremely shaky lately! do you know of any possible cause i.e.: has
anyone else reported similar experiences?
Well I've taken up enough of your time, I'd appreciate any advice
Steve
Dear Steve,
I've not heard of those symptoms before, but
they do not surprise me.
I think you had a load of mercury into your
body and that it couldn't possibly be removed this quickly, all of it.
It took some time, but then took its toll on
you.
You could probably to better, if you can, to
increase the dosage of LGP, or get some LGB to add to the LGP.
The herbal MSM could also cause a detox -- we
don't have enough experience with that stuff -- even that is worth increasing
the dosage. You could handle things with the herbal MSM, then quit in the
middle of an on-going detox.
You probably have run out?
We got more samples in, but it will be
several more weeks before we have our next supply and can make some to sell.
Regards,
Karl
Hi Karl,
Thanks for your help+advice.
I'm not out of "Herbal MSM" yet as I stopped taking it when my body started
shutting down, so I have apx 100grams left, I think I'll wait a couple of weeks
& then resume taking it!
Karl what are your thoughts on "Colon Cleanse"? I've been thinking about
'Ayurveda' & come to the conclusion that apart from the herbs+oils it seems to
be centered on body cleansing & a lot on 'Enemas' "Panchakama", as well as
sweating!
I believe my body has many toxins stored up & my final step to regaining my
health is the purification program by L. Ron Hubbard.
I know you had an experience (years ago) of trying a parasite cleanse, but all
the stories of 'Rope & Mucus'!! must have some truth as a friend (who has been
ill for sometime but believes in drugs & doctors!!) confided in me that one day,
he couldn't stop passing what he thought was feces but in fact was a continuous
stick of Chalk!! (being the best way to describe it!)
Now as he was at the time on many drugs (including antidepressants)
something happened to cause his body to expel whatever that was? I believe his
story as he hasn't a computer so he hasn't read some of the many un-truths made
by salesmen & he was quite embarrassed by it (being a mans man!)
So basically, do you think it is worth doing something like: colonics, enemas,
herbal cleanse etc etc?
I've completed the first wave of my assault on M.S (being amalgam removal) & the
2nd wave is well under way (being mercury + heavy metal chelation - courtesy of
you!)
Also how long do you estimate it will take L.G.P to get rid of my heavy metals
now I am amalgam free? (not forgetting I used L.G.P at full dose for 2 months
with amalgams present)
Once again I apologize for going on!
But the war is hotting up! & advantages must be taken when my foe is off guard!!
kind regards
Steve
Dear Steve,
I am a believer in colonics.
I learned to do enemas as cheaper
and did them every day for more than one year.
I never had spectacular
expulsions, but I figured it was OK to do anyway.
Keep in mind that the Ayurveda is
approximately 50% ritual and religion, and 50% knowledge of herbs.
I don't much hold for the ritual
part, but think the herbal knowledge within the Ayurveda is great.
Getting rid of ALL metal would be
a very long process -- measured in years, not months.
You can get urine test for metals
-- when the amount drops to close to zero, chelation is no longer removing any
-0- you could say you were clear.
Karl
-----Original Message-----
From: s.barrington [mailto:s.barrington@ntlworld.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 2:30 PM
To: Karl Loren
Subject: ? on ALA
Hi Karl,
are you positive that ALA isn't a chelator (as stated) ?
[Karl Note: This is a useful article about the value of Alpha Lipoic
Acid, sometimes labeled the "Ultimate Antioxidant," but it just misses the
point. Why spend money and time trying to neutralize free radicals, which
is all that Alpha Lipoic Acid can do, when you can eliminate the SOURCE of
those free radicals with chelation? The dangers of toxic metals in the body
are just not sufficiently recognized, although the dangers of free radicals
are better known.]
I ask as I'm currently in a very debatable forum on some twit called Andy
Butler, who I believe wrote a book saying ALA should be used to chelate
Mercury! as it crosses the BBB.
Do Cysteine, NAC & EDTA cross the BBB?
many thanks
Steve
Dear Steve,
Here is the data on BBB
Here is my page on ALA
I have not done exhaustive
research, but I have a lot.
I have literally dozens of
pages on it on my web.
Yes, it is reported to
chelate mercury, but I never felt the need to look for something better than
EDTA and Cysteine -- so included only a small amount in my formula.
Karl
-----Original Message-----
From: s.barrington [mailto:s.barrington@ntlworld.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 1:26 PM
To: Karl Loren
Subject: Germanium?
Hi Karl,
I hope you, your family & all at VL are well
Karl, I was happy to see that you have secured exclusive access & license to
sell Organic Germanium.
I have been saving Hard since your newsletter brought the good news to me!
I am now adapting my battle plan for my illness to incorporate "GERMANIUM"
as an added assault.
I believe the writings of Dr Asai as his work has been validated by my
Naturopath who has written about meeting him & discussing his work in 1975
(apparently they talked all night!)
If your Germanium is that of which Dr Asai created I am in no doubt that it
will be extremely beneficial to me!
(Unlike the fraudulent crap! I purchased from GERANTI PHARM)
I hope to order 100gm this coming Friday, I realize I will need to take apx
2gm daily, but in what way do you advise?
I am still taking LGP at full dosage & am feeling healthier week by week, I
have started Colon Hydrotherapy & was amazed at how much stuff was inside!
although the therapist cut my session short as she didn't know how it would
tire me (due to ms) but she did tell me my prostate was enlarged & to get it
looked at! (another reason for Germanium!)
Well I've taken up enough of your time so I'll leave you in peace
kind regards
Steve
Dear Steve,
Well done.
I would treasure any notes
or articles your Naturopath might be willing to contribute to that Ge web
site, or even to write for it -- with full credit of course.
If he is willing I would
be very pleased.
How to take?
Intravenous would be best
-- it would be up to some "professional" to convert the powdered Ge into a
liquid and feel comfortable in recommending that he use it as an injection or
infusion -- whatever he thinks is best. I knew a doctor who often visited
Japan on Ge matters and he talked of injection rather than infusion.
It would probably be an
action worthy of losing a medical license, but I think that method of
administration would be best.
I am exploring getting
"injectable vials" from Japan, but they could not be sold as injectables --
and may not even be available to me.
Next best would be to hold
the powder in the mouth and allow it to dissolve there, hold it as long as you
can -- even a few minutes. Then swallow, with a sip of water if needed.
You would then be getting
the most efficient absorption through the mouth tissues, into the blood
stream. It does not have a bad taste and would dissolve fairly well.
Next, mix it with water
and sip slowly over the day -- allowing the "sip" to stay in the mouth during
absorption. Again, a couple minutes of holding the liquid/mixture in your
mouth, then swallow.
The term "sub lingual"
comes to mind -- probably the most efficient part of the mouth would be under
the tongue.
Now, I'm not that familiar
with anatomy, but it is possible that a solution of Ge with water can be
injected into the rectum and allowed to "stay" there for some hours, even it
may be possible for all this mixture to be absorbed through the rectal tissues
-- close to the prostate.
Colon cleansing is a good
thing to do. Mixing Ge with that water would be wasteful since most of it is
expelled, but after a treatment a small injection of Ge water that is small
enough so that it doesn't need expelling would be a good method. Rectal
tissues are also good places for absorption -- better than the rest of the
intestine, or stomach.
I have had this treatment,
and then "graduated" to doing my own enemas. At one time I did an enema every
day for more than one year!!
You can be as crude as
using a "turkey blaster" to do the injecting.
'
On price. We have a
standard policy that if you buy four items you get a 25% discount.
That moves over even to
getting 4 of the same items within 30 days.
So, if you buy one at
regular price, another at regular price, and can build that up to a total of 4
within 30 days, then you get the 25% discount.
Basically that means that
if you can purchase the THIRD bottle within 30 days, you would then get the
fourth bottle free.
So, three of these 100
gram jars would be $2,700, and if they are purchased all in a 30 day period,
then the fourth is free.
Also, you might even
consider purchasing a single kilogram of bulk. It would take us about 10 days
to get that in from Japan, but if you can find that type of money you would be
getting Ge at about $600 for 100 grams, or $6,000 for one kg.
This is obviously
expensive stuff, but I'm delighted to have the assurance of authenticity.
Tokai Sangyo is moving its
web to a new server in a couple weeks and we are working on some web pages for
them -- they will show Vibrant Life as the distributor for the US.
I have had some
familiarity with prostate handling that included cyro-technology, don't know
much more, but wonder if you have heard of that -- it is a laser type freezing
of the presumed cancerous tissues and this procedure is so precise that it
leaves the good tissue untouched. I may have this wrong, but some years ago I
visited Mexico where a doctor was doing this, and have heard of it elsewhere.
Let me know how it goes.
Karl Loren
Hi Karl,
thanks for the info
I talked to my naturopath very briefly today, as he was flying off somewhere &
had to get to the airport so we couldn't talk in detail, however, he did ask me
to come & see him on his return & to bring some of my Germanium along as he was
interested!
When we meet I'll convey your interest & pass on your email
I had a look at Tokai Sangyo's website & I agree 'they need help!'
If they are on the web, does that mean they'll be selling Germanium via web?
I will be ordering 100gm on Friday, I haven't got $2,700 & it would take me
sometime to save it up as I'm not working at present, its a shame because your
offer is good!
Anyway I wish you all well & I'm looking forward to receiving my order!
kind regards
Steve
Dear Steve,
As far as I know Tokai is not
selling directly from their web.
They have asked me to design at
least one web page for them -- probably will be up in a week or so.
After your first purchase, you
would then have 30 days to find another $1,800, and then get three jars rather
than two for that amount -- if you can.
Thanks,
Karl
Hi Karl,
just a quickie
I've bee taking the Germanium for 7 days (received order 6-30-03)
I have been taking 2gm or slightly over as its hard to measure, every morning
before breakfast.
My question is, is this the best protocol? as Dr Asai & others in his book seem
to administer it 3 or 4 times a day before or after meals!
I'm unsure as to whether I should be dividing the 2gm up each day, any advice
will be most appreciated!
regards
Steve
Dear Steve,
I believe that more doses will
"even out" the amount of germanium in your blood stream more than taking one
dose daily.
I would not worry about the
approximation of the dose.
You can take two doses per day, or
three. You might start with your best estimate of 2 grams, in one container
(cup or glass), then take out "some" twice, then the balance on the third
dose.
If you let this "sit" in your
mouth before swallowing, it will absorb more quickly, and more directly into
your blood stream through the mouth tissues.
You can put this into your mouth
"dry" and dissolve it with saliva -- then a sip of water if necessary to take
the last bit down.
What have you noticed yet?
Regards,
Karl
Dear Karl,
Below is a copy of the email I received today
as you can see, Jan is very interested to talk to you & I sense a fruitful
friendship in the making! (in both parties)
Anyway, his email is:- info@jandevrieshealth.co.uk
I do hope everything goes well
regards
Steve
-------------------------------------------------------
Dear Stephen
Thank you so much for your very welcome e-mail.
I have met Dr Asai a few times and I have the film he made as well as all his
works. I would be interested in contacting this gentleman and if he is
interested I could share the information I have with him.
It would be wonderful if, in lieu of that, I could get some Germanium from
Japan, as it is such a wonderful remedy and I would love to help people with it.
Thank you once again for writing as it has given me a small glimmer of hope that
we can get the right Germanium.
Kindest regards,
Jan de Vries
(dictated by JdV)
Dear Jan,
You must be older than I am!!!
I'm 72, and Dr. Asai was not alive, I
believe, when I visited Japan in about 1987.
My whole story about germanium starts at this
page on my web.
I, too, had a lengthy video, in Japanese,
showing mice being given cancer, then cured.
I am not at all sure where that video went??
I believe mine had English sub-titles, but it has been years since I looked at
it.
As you may realize Ge has been very
expensive, yet cheap non-authentic substances have been the only type found in
the US.
My prices are about 3 times what those are.
I believe they will gradually go out of
business -- since my story about authenticity is so convincing.
I would love to have any materials you have
from Dr. Asai, or at least English versions.
I would publish any or all of your material,
with credit to you, and your personal story, on my web, if you are willing.
I am also designing some web pages for Tokai
Sangyo and could put Japanese material on those pages.
I understand that Asai Research Institute
does not export Ge, but sells only in Japan.
I do not, as a matter of firm policy, have
any special prices for anyone -- feeling that is not an honest way to do
business -- but I'd be glad to supply you with Ge, as you may need. I have
standardly available volume discounts, up to a 40% discount for 60 bottles in
one purchase. The 100 gram bottles only have the maximum discount of 25% for
purchase of 4 bottles, then you should buy 1 kg.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Karl Loren
Dear Steve,
Very good to hear that you are keeping a
log of experiences.
I would like to publish your entire
correspondence, including this message and any future you would like to share
with others.
http://www.oralchelation.com/testimonial/test58.htm
Germanium is quite expensive, as you know,
and it must perform true miracles to make it worth while. I count on you have a
large miracle, and being willing to tell me all the details, and to share with
others as I publish this.
Cordially,
Karl Loren
Dear Karl,
what can I say!
It would be a great feeling knowing my entire correspondence could be read by
anyone visiting your web!
However, in all my readings of "Germanium", I to date, have not read about any
Multiple Sclerosis sufferer using "Germanium" & I would like it to be noted as
it seems to be helping me, so I'd like fellow sufferers to be aware of
"Germaniums" magical effect on MS as well as other diseases
As you know Karl, I am at war! & my foe is MS, I believe, with the help of
"Germanium", I may return to being a healthy man, that's not too much to ask
for!.........is it?!
Publish away! & I hope my account helps many others!
kind regards
Steve
Dear Steve,
You are published, including any
negative findings you care to make -- I will not edit, other than to remove
your name.
If you are willing to include
either your full name, or even an eMail, I would be delighted to include
those.
Regards,
Karl
Dear Karl,
I hope you are well
yes you may publish my name & email, I'll happily share my experiences
Karl, whilst checking out my page on your web, I noticed that my emails & your
answers are back to front (as you scroll down!) you currently have to scroll to
the beginning of last email (my first) then scroll up to the beginning of your
answer! & on etc
maybe you could check it out & change it so you just scroll down reading our
correspondence in order of date? (I don't know, your the webmaster & I'm just a
trainee!)
anyway, I have decided to email you a weekly update on each Monday, giving a
brief daily account of the past 6 days happenings!
If this is ok with you? I'll continue updates for as long as I take GE or you
wish to publish
well I'll be in touch soon
regards
Steve
P.S
I've just ordered a thermometer!
Dear Steve,
Yes, the order is backwards and I will soon
fix it.
Thanks very much for your willingness. Did
you see the note from Jan?
I look forward to your weekly reports, and
will publish them.
Cordially,
Karl
-----Original Message-----
From: s.barrington [mailto:s.barrington@ntlworld.com]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 3:07 PM
To: Karl Loren
Subject: Week 3!
Dear Karl,
here are my my third weeks happenings!
Day 15, Woke 6am & it's very hot! whilst washing I notice that the skin directly
over my spine feels.....rough? (I'm hoping it's badness coming out through my
skin!), smalller movement, study all day until I started to flag early pm
Day 16, Woke 8.15am & it's a lot fresher as it's been raining, feel ok, noticed
the circulation in my right foot is improving as all the red+blue blotchy marks
are dissapearing!! the skin down my spine is still 'course', another small dark
solid movement, couldont sit still for 5 minuites!!
Day 17, Woke 7.30am & it's pouring! feel a little stiff (always do when it's low
preasure!), tempreture has dropped to 21cen, major movement!!, went physio swim
& felt good, did a lot of walking & a little breaststroke (being carefull not to
over do it!) managed to climb my steps & get inside in one go! got tired in pm,
bed at 11pm
Day 18, Woke at 4am up at 5am! had 2x movements 1st light in colour, 2nd darker
heavier!, felt very good & couldont stop doing thngs! balance+strength noticebly
improved!
Day 19, Woke 8.30am & it's warm & sunny, spinal skin still course, had
constipated like movement!? walking+balance+strength improving, bit of study +
cd creating, bed at 10pm
Day 20, Woke 7.15am & it's a grey day, major movement!, much cooler day, spinal
skin still course, my minds overactive! bed at 11pm
Day 21, Woke 7.30am & it's a close day! feel awake & refreshed, effortless
movement! walking+balance improving (not grabing walls for balance!) also sight
in left eye has improved noticebly!! still up writing this at 11pm J well
goodnight--------------
-----Original Message-----
From: s.barrington [mailto:s.barrington@ntlworld.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 9:30 AM
To: Karl Loren
Subject: 4th weeks events!
Dear Karl,
I hope you & all are well at VL
here are my 4th weeks happenings!
Day 22
I woke feeling pretty good! I managed to do 15 squats whilst brushing my teeth!
had a pleasant morning movement!
I felt very good almost euphoric! I studied for 8 hours! my walking+balance are
improving!
Day 23
Woke at 3am, couldn't get back to sleep, felt tired all day but did study a bit!
Day 24
Woke feeling very stiff, I checked the weather satelite & I was in low preasure
(low pressure affects me badly) studied for most of the day
Day 25
Woke at 4am but I felt better, noticed my arms were itchy (no skin eruptions
just itchy!), my spinal skin is still rough, as the day went on I started to
stiffen up & then at 10am it poured with rain! until 2pm & then I started to
unstiffen
Day 26
Woke 8am feeling good, 20 squats (effortlessly) whilst brushing teeth, I felt
very light on feet, 15 squats before lunch, my feet started tingling after
lunch? my walking+balance improved
Day 27
Woke feeling pretty good, 15 squats whilst brushing teeth, grabbed a few rays
(sat outside) for vit d, bit of study
Day 28
Woke from deep sleep at 7.30am, felt tired+stiff & my head feels heavy! I
checked satelite & it's low pressure & rain approaching!
15 squats whilst brushing teeth all in all a pretty unsettled day (a bit like
me!)
Well that's a brief account of my week, basically the UK is going through very
changeable weather & that (especially low pressure!) has a profound effect on
me, I'm sure other sufferers know what I mean
however sometimes I have to pinch myself to remind me I'm awake! & what I just
did was real !!!
at the moment I am constantly learning bodily actions that were secound nature
15 years ago but........have been masked by MS!
I have just taken advantage of your excellent 25% offer so I now have 300gm more
of Germanium in which to rebuild my body & put MS in my history!
J
till next week
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: s.barrington [mailto ]
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 4:02 AM
To: Karl Loren
Subject: 5th weeks events!
Hi Karl,
I hope you are well
I've upped the dosage to 3gm a day as I feel this will be a more efficient dose
for my condition & as I've just received 300gm (taken advantage of the 25%
offer!) my armoury is well stocked for my ensuing battle
Anyway, heres my weeks hapenings!
Day 29
Woke at 7.30am feeling better than yesterday! I did 20 squats whilst brushing my
teeth (with ease!) & 15 more before lunch, today I feel strong! spent rest of
day at study.
Day 30
Woke at 7.30am feel a bit tired so didn't do any squats, went in to do some work
for BDIN (a charity I help), after about 3 hours of doing BDINs database my back
was in serious trouble! my right arm was going numb so I was working one handed?
I went home had some lunch & had a MAJOR! movement!?
I started feeling better & even performed a 'epidermoid excision' on a cyst that
has bugged me for over a year!
Had an early night as I was very tired.
Day 31
Woke at 7am feeling ok'ish but my legs are sore (overdone the squats!) so only
did 10 squats whilst brushing teeth, studied all day.
Day 32
Woke at 7am feeling stiff+sore, it's a miserable day & very close, had a major
movement! upped dosage to 1/2tsp before breakfast + 1/4tsp before lunch &
supper.
Day 33
Woke 7.30am, felt tired+leg musscles a bit sore so no squats, just chilled all
day.
Day 34
Woke at 7am, felt a little better so 5 squats in morning+ 10 in afternoon, it's
hot today.
Day 35
Woke at 4.45am but felt good !?
It's a very very hot day with no air but I feel STRONG!
I did 20+ squats whilst brushing my teeth (with ease!) & sorted out a store room
before 7.30am!! I felt good & only slowed down at about 1pm when the tempreture
hit 90f & there was no air at all!
At the momemt Britain is going through a heat wave! & its been predicted that
the record temp of 99f will be broken this week!
I suppose living in britain doesn't help much as the weather is so changeable
,however, my stamina & balance+strength are improving & I'm quietly confident
I'm............well best not tempt fate..eh!
till next week
Steve
Hi Karl
I apologise for the short gap with my updates!
Durring the 7th week, Britain went into meltdown mode & broke the highest ever
recorded tempretures, I think it reached 101 fahrenheit! & believe me with apx
90% humidity.........well let's just say a sauna comes to mind.
I actually went to stay with a friend for 10 days for a break so I didn't keep a
log for weeks 6 & 7 (sorry!)
However, what I remember is durring our heatwave I had much more stamina than I
have had for ages! & that when it started to cool down my balance & sureness of
footing improved markedly!
So here is my 8th weeks happenings:
Day 49, Woke at 7.45am feeling well rested, did 10 squats as felt quite strong,
I stretched out after & noticed my balanc+walking are improving!
Day 50, Woke at 8.30am! Felt good'ish so did 20 squats + 8 weight shift
exercises, stretched out & stayed up late (making cd's)
Day 51, Woke 8.30am feeling well rested, had minor movement, only did 5 squats
as I didn't feel to strong, went to BDIN at 10.15am & worked til 1pm walked
around office using just 1 crutch! (my legs felt strong & balance good!), after
lunch had large movement which was dark & sank!?, I then felt tired up to
3.40pm,
Day 52, Woke at 8.30am from a deep sleep (didn't want to open my eyes!), felt
bit stiff so did 20 squats stetched out & sat down to study at 11am, started to
feel very stiff at 1pm'ish (it looked like rain)
Day 53, Woke at 7.30am feeling good at first! , did 10 squats as don't feel as
sure today, Then I started to ache at 10am & the weather came over like rain (I
ached yhat way!)
Day 54, Woke at 7am feeling hungover! (Bit too much cider I think!), instead of
squats I practised shifting weight from leg to leg (noticed I began to balance
squarely & not leaning forward), movement was like constipated? & all sank?!
Day 55, Woke at 8.30am feeling ok'ish, had another constipated like movement (uh
oh! I know what's coming!), chilled for rest of day watching football+ f1
Since I upped the dose I seem to be getting surer on my feet although also I've
been quite tired
til next week
Steve
Perhaps it is time?? I
don't recall if you have explained what a "squat" is??
Why is it a big deal to do
a "squat?"
I see these daily reports,
but wonder if you can throw in, here and there, how you feel today compared to
before you started? Remind us?
Also what is your daily
dose? How do you take it?
Have you looked at "your"
web page? Asked any others to look?
Getting any comments from
others who either know or don't know what you are doing?
How about Jan?
Regards,
Karl
Hi Karl,
I hope you & all at VL are well
thanks for your email & I'll start by explaining my condition before
starting GE, I needed 2 crutches to get around & even then I couldont
stand for long as my leg muscles would go into spasm or just let go &
I'd end up on the floor (wrong way up!)
This is what caused me to go to war on MS as I had steadily got worse
(from a cane to 1 crutch to 2 crutches), I had visions of a wheelchair &
decided that wasn't for me!
Although I was told by my neurologist that in his mind, I would end up
in a wheelchair, they've got a habit of saying things like that (normal
course of progression!)....."Crap!! I'm not accepting that!)
So, for all those who do not know what a squat is: if you stand upright
then slowly bend your knees until you are in a sitting position & then
slowly straighten up to the start position you have done 1 unassisted
squat (if you hold something ie a chair, it's an assisted squat) if you
have weak leg muscles ie hamstrings, knees as you hold the sitting
position you really work them (BUT DO TRY ASSISTED 1ST & BE CAREFULL!!)
Before GE I couldont do ONE without collapsing in a heap! now I manage
20+ & also resistence training (with a elastic strap)
I can truly say I am more happy & content than I have been in many
years, the constant, gnawing back pain I have suffered for 4+ years,
hardly bothers me! & my whole outlook on life has changed (for the
better!)
Each day I take 1/2 tsp before breakfast & 1/4 tsp before lunch & supper
I have not heard from Jan lately, I must mail him
Your GE web looks great Karl & yes I've looked at my page, I didn't
realise we had corresponded so much!
so here's my weeks happenings
Day 56, Woke 8.30am feeling tired? only did 10 squats whilst brushing
teeth & then 10 weight shift exercises (balancing from one leg to the
other), slightly constipated? didn't feel energetic today, bed at 10pm
Day 57, Woke at 5.30am feeling refreshed, did 15 squats + 10 balance
exe's, study til 2.30pm, notice an improvement in balance/walking,
attatched a elastic strap to my exercise bike so I can do resistence
exercises with my weaker leg (inner thigh muscles), did apx 30 assorted
reps!
Day 58, Woke 7.30am feeling bit sore (leg muscles), no squats just
weight shift exe's, went to BDIN felt strange (a bit anxious?), major
movement after lunch! felt very tired for rest of day
Day 59, Woke 8.15am feeling not to good, managed 10squats,10 weight
shifts & 30 resistence exe's, put CalmCream on legs to aid soreness
Day 60, Woke 8.15am feeling ok'ish, no squats or resistance exe's today
(I'm gonna have day on day off from now), did 10 weight shifts, it's low
pressure today but I feel ok?
Day 61, Woke 8am feeling good, 20 squats + 10 weight shifts & 30
resistance exe's (so much for day on day off!) I feel almost euphoric?!
bed at 10pm
Day 62, Woke 7am feeling refreshed, did 20 squats 10 weight shifts, sat
in sun for 1/2 hour & when I got up to come back in, my strength/balance
& energy weren't troubled by the heat!, did 30 resistance exe's & spent
rest of day surfing (internet)
Well that's it for this week but I do think the time has come Karl &
(fingers crossed) I can keep improving the way I am!
By the way.......I'm back on 1 stick!
til next week
Steve
September 3, 2003
Dear Steve,
I've been away, and it was Nick
who posted your last reply to the web.
I just read it tonight.
Wow.
Squat!!
When I was in the Army I could do,
easily, some 100s of them.
Today I don't do any without
assistance. it is not just MS that causes that weakness, but the need for hip
surgery -- my condition.
Of course (??) I don't take much
of my own germanium. I had no idea it might do this for someone.
I suspect I don't have the drive
you do -- I get around, a bit of limping, but I manage well enough.
I'll have to re-think this.
Thanks for the story.
Karl Loren
Dear Karl,
I too could handle many hundreds only 15 years ago, again when I too was in the
army
In fact, I had to haul some 200 pounds in weight around!
So these times have been quite testing indeed, especially as I'm quite young
(39)
When I was first diagnosed I knew nothing about MS, 'I was strong & young, it
wasn't going to bugger me up!' So I went into that great defence mode we all
have, 'Denial'
Well it worked, for a while, then I began to lose, I had to quit my job
(eyesight impaired), my fiance played away (saw her ex) & I started to feel real
bad about myself, started drinking & smoking heavy, my fiance/grirlfriend of 12
years left last year, not wanting/able to look after me huh....,,,,(you can put
the violin away now!)
At present, even though I have some way to go & long to run the roads again,
I'm content with what I have! & know, one day it will happen!!
I feel deeply grateful to you, for enabling me to feel of myself, the way I do
today!
How are you & your wife, have you both had the hip surgery?
kindest regards
Steve
September 4, 2003
Well, Steve, thanks.
I was in the Army for a couple
years, and earned my Ranger patch. That was probably my best physical
condition.
Before that I was on the wrestling
team at Ohio University -- competed often, never a big winner.
So squats? Yes, I did a lot of
them when I was young.
My wife had a complete knee
replacement in June. I could have gone at the same time but we all felt it
would be better to let her heal a few months before I get mine- - I am
eligible for a hip replacement. I'm not apprehensive.
I limp a bit right now, but in
another month or so I will probably go ahead with the surgery.
I'm 72, of course, so I don't
expect to do much running anymore, but I did go white water rafting a few
weeks ago, in Alaska.
I appreciate your kind words about
my help, but I strongly believe, and think you know the truth of it, that it
has been YOUR determination that has made the difference.
If I could suggest more? Have you
read my
pages on diet? I would encourage you to consider getting on the diet I
recommend. It can be very healing.
The other thing,
exercise, I recommend a mini-trampoline -- you can use it even if you have to
sit your butt on it and bounce ..
The gentle bouncing, should be
very feasible for you -- it moves the lymph fluids and that improves the
immune system, and builds strength without painful or impossible exertion.
Finally, what do you have as an
"outward" activity -- what are you doing for others? That is an important
part of any healing, overcoming any inward looking pity (even though you don't
have it), and looking to help others. That is very useful to you.
I'm going to post this -- let me
know if your below comments are too personal to post??
Keep in touch.
Karl Loren
----Original Message-----
From: Karl Loren [mailto:karl@karlloren.com]
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 10:32 AM
Subject: FW: Wow
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From: s.barrington [mailto:s.barrington@ntlworld.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 8:26 AM
To: karl@karlloren.com
Subject: Re: Wow
Dear Karl,
I too could handle many hundreds only 15 years ago, again when I too was in
the army
Infact, I had to haul some 200 pounds in weight around!
So these times have been quite testing indeed, especially as I'm quite young
(39)
When I was first diagnosed I knew nothing about MS, 'I was strong & young, it
wasn't going to bugger me up!' So I went into that great defence mode we all
have, 'Denial'
Well it worked, for a while, then I began to lose, I had to quit my job
(eyesight impaired), my fiance played away (saw her ex) & I started to feel
real bad about myself, started drinking & smoking heavy, my fiance/grirlfriend
of 12 years left last year, not wanting/able to look after me huh....,,,,(you
can put the violin away now!)
At present, even though I have some way to go & long to run the roads again,
I'm content with what I have! & know, one day it will happen!!
I feel deeply grateful to you, for enabling me to feel of myself, the way I do
today!
How are you & your wife, have you both had the hip surgery?
kindest regards
Steve
on 4/9/03 3:50 am, Karl Loren at karl@karlloren.com
wrote:
Dear Steve,
I've been away, and it was Nick who posted your last reply to the web.
I just read it tonight.
Wow.
Squat!!
When I was in the Army I could do, easily, some 100s of them.
Today I don't do any without assistance. it is not just MS that causes that
weakness, but the need for hip surgery -- my condition.
Of course (??) I don't take much of my own germanium. I had no idea it might do
this for someone.
I suspect I don't have the drive you do -- I get around, a bit of limping, but I
manage well enough.
I'll have to re-think this.
Thanks for the story.
Karl Loren
on 5/9/03 5:05 pm, Karl Loren at karl@karlloren.com wrote:
Well, Steve, thanks.
I was in the Army for a couple
years, and earned my Ranger patch. That was probably my best physical condition.
Before that I was on the
wrestling team at Ohio University -- competed often, never a big winner.
So squats? Yes, I did a lot of
them when I was young.
My wife had a complete knee
replacement in June. I could have gone at the same time but we all felt it
would be better to let her heal a few months before I get mine- - I am eligible
for a hip replacement. I'm not apprehensive.
I limp a bit right now, but in
another month or so I will probably go ahead with the surgery.
I'm 72, of course, so I don't
expect to do much running anymore, but I did go white water rafting a few weeks
ago, in Alaska.
I appreciate your kind words
about my help, but I strongly believe, and think you know the truth of it, that
it has been YOUR determination that has made the difference.
If I could suggest more? Have
you read my pages on diet? I would encourage you to consider getting on the
diet I recommend. It can be very healing.
The other thing, exercise, I
recommend a mini-trampoline -- you can use it even if you have to sit your butt
on it and bounce ..
The gentle bouncing, should be
very feasible for you -- it moves the lymph fluids and that improves the immune
system, and builds strength without painful or impossible exertion.
Finally, what do you have as an
"outward" activity -- what are you doing for others? That is an important part
of any healing, overcoming any inward looking pity (even though you don't have
it), and looking to help others. That is very useful to you.
I'm going to post this -- let me
know if your below comments are too personal to post??
Keep in touch.
Karl Loren
Hi Karl,
It's always nice to hear from you, please pass my 'get well wishes' on to your
wife.
Karl, maybe you should think of taking a little GE tonic before your surgery!
You have the right frame of mind allready, so maybe, you can give your body the
help it may need, just a thought! (Dr Asai talks highly of using it to aid
surgery!).........But, of course, you already know!
Diet, yes I will study your plan, I have been following the Roger Macdougal diet
for over 2 years now (a passed friend of Jan, also playwriter, writer & MS
sufferer). The diet is very restrictive ie gluten free,sugar free & dairy free
also certain meat is a no-no (pork & anything processed).
Exercise, mmm....I'm the sort of bloke that pushes himself over the limit, waaay
to easily, I mean, ones ok but ten is better! I resume swimming next week (the
kids are back to school, so the pool wont ressemble a war zone!) The trampoline
is food for thought, thanks!
Pity! Yeah I had that, for a while! until I first visited BDIN (Berkshire
Disability Information Network), I walked (more like hobbled) into their office
in January 2001 feeling the lowest ever & looking for help or something as I had
been having suicidal thoughts!
After talking to different people, well, it hit me! like a 'wet fish in the
face', Ok! so I had MS! SO WHAT!! Medical science couldn't help...SO WHAT!
The disabled world had revealed itself to me! (or more like, I learnt!)
There were people, far worse than me living as best they could & not, NOT!
wallowing in self-pity.
I realised I could help people! & ever since that day...... I have!
Yes Karl, I totally agree, each day I return from BDIN, I have a great feeling
knowing somewhere, somebody will benefit from my work!
As before, post what you wish! I don't think it's too personal........just the
truth!
regards
Steve
September 8, 2003
Dear Steve,
Well, you've convinced me.
I read Dr. Asai's Book some 20
years ago, and only brief excerpts of it since. So, you have much more
familiarity with it than I.
I'm going to start on 100 mg of Ge
per day, right now, and increase that when I get closer to surgery -- probably
a month or more from now.
Your diet sounds good to me.
"Raw," of course" is the ultimate "unprocessed."
I have had the same attitude about
exercise -- recalling my days of Army glory of all those pushups, etc. I have
learned a bit in my many years, and moderate is a word more often found in my
vocabulary.
The swimming sounds great to me.
Keep writing.
Yes, I'll post it all.
Regards,
Karl
Hi Karl,
here's my weeks update
Day 63, Woke at 3.30am!? & couldn't get back to sleep, I lay thinking about
anything & everything! finally nodding off around 5am, re-woke at 9.30am
feeling rough/stiff & sore! did minimum amount of exercise (just enough to
keep muscles active).
Day 64,Woke at 8am feeling refreshed, decided to finally clean up & service my
old Mac computer so I can sell it & hopefully finance an inerest I've had for
a while, it took me all day to find it all searching cupboards/drawers & store
rooms, I was 'cream crackered' after but I was happy I'd found it all & quite
impressed with my balance+walking.
Day 65, Woke at 7.30am feeling good! did 20 squats + 10 weight shifts with
ease! went into BDIN at 10am & worked til 1.15pm, got home feeling strong so
did 30 assorted resisted exercises, That night I drank quite a bit of Brandy,
got pickled & went to bed at 11.30pm.
Day 66, Woke at 10.45AM! I slept like a log but, I'm all out of sync', my
head was clear not hungover! Did a minimum of exercises & study for rest of
day!
(what's surprising is, I haven't drank a spirit since Christmas,
So I fully expected to feel hungover in the morning especially as I'd slept
for so long!
But I didn't!)
Day 67, Woke at 9pm feeling refreshed, did 20 squats + 15 weight shifts, sat
out in the sun for 45mins! came in when I started to get bit hot but my
balance+walking was good! I advertised my Mac package & settled down with a
reward of a Brandy!
(I used to melt in the sun after 10mins & hardly be able to move!!
I have scars on my feet from dragging myself across the patio to get out the
sun!)
Day 68, Woke at 8.45am feeling ok'ish but a bit tired, today's sports day!
England are playing Macedonia in a european championship qualifier so I'm
treating myself to some cider! did minimum exercises (this routine, 1 day full
1 day little exercise, seems to be working!)..........WE WON!!!
Day 69, Woke at 8.30am, did 10 squats + 10 weight shifts as don't feel to
clever, after lunch, had major movement that sunk, felt tired + a little stiff
(low pressure had moved in & it seemed to slow me up!), just chilled for rest
of day.
til next week
Steve
Dear Steve,
What do you do at BDIN?
How about a couple photos?
Thanks,
Karl
Dear Steve,
I"m now taking 200 mg of GE per day, and
will increase to 1000 mg or more about two weeks before my surgery.
Thanks!
Karl
Dear Karl,
I should be able to sort out some photos in the near future
the interest I'm raising funds for is a rather nice DV Camcorder with MPEG
capability (ideal for still shots!)
I have offered to design a new website for BDIN (once qualified), so I shall
be taking many shots of everyone & our office
I'll gladly send you some
Karl, I'm glad your taking some GE before your surgery! I feel sure it will
aid your recovery & I hope you experience the energy resurgence I have!
regards
Steve
September 9, 2003
Well said, Steve,
I've taken 200 mg of Ge today,
and will continue -- increasing to 2,000 mg about one week before surgery.
Photos? Yes.
Karl
Hello Karl,
well not too much happens this week except my energy has improved
remarkably!
BDIN is having a short break (mainly to do with holidays), so when we get up
& running again I'll take some photos for you as I've got my cam now!
Day 70,Woke at 3.30am got up 4.30am, felt suprisingly good! did 30 squats +
20 weight shifts + 30 resisted exe's +10 reverse push ups (dips!) & 10 press
ups!!! I couldn't stop doing things, I sprayed the roses, sat down for
30mins in the morning sun & sorted out a lot of paperwork ie bills! my
mother visited at 12.30 & after i made lunch i then started to flag! its
4.15pm & i feel very tired + backs aching like hell! bed at 11pm
Day 71,woke at 8.30am feelin ok, legs bit sore+stiff so only 10 squats + 10
weight shifts, sorted out printer + bits, spent rest of day at study! bed at
00.30am
Day 72,woke at 10.30am! felt stiff & not 2 good on feet, 25 squats + 20
weight shifts, tried to fix printer but no go! looked out scanner, felt good
then bad on&off all day, bed at 12pm
Day 73,woke at 8am feelin ok, 20 squats + 20 weight shifts + 30 resistance
exe's, sorted out store & had lot of strength, felt good most of day, bed at
11.30pm......
Day 74,woke at 5am, 20 squats + 20 weight shifts, feel strong!, sprayed
roses (bit of gardening), mum visited, drank quite a bit! bed at 12pm.....
Day 75,woke at 8.45am feeling a bit stiff, no exe's (feel wierd),
constipated, sat in sun for 30mins, felt lethargic most of day! ate 2 pk's
peanuts + pk dates, bed at 11pm
Day 76,woke at 3.45am!? felt anxious, couldn't get back 2 sleep so got up at
4.30am, had light coloured fairly large floating movement! did -10
squats+10 weight shift exe's, feel pretty good!, started to feel tired at
5pm & had an early night, bed at 9pm
Day 77, woke at 8.30am feeling a little stiff, did 10 squats + 10 weight
shift exe's, my right knee felt funny so I took 2 x 500mg of glucosamine as
(I haven't taken anything but GE for 76 days & I also feel LGP will help me
as it has all the vit's/min's so I shall order some more!), I became very
jittery for a couple of hours after taking the glusosamine?! did 30 resisted
exe's, bed 11pm
til next week
Steve
Dear Steve,
Good, as always, to hear your story.
When I read day by day I am not as close to what
you are experiencing as you are, so I miss the "big changes."
Perhaps you could add a "weekly comparison" --
add a comparison, overall, from one week to the next?
That would be good.
Karl
