Check out the Witch Doctors article about Taheebo.
Michael called me about on November 23, 2000, and asked what I considered an "entrapment" type question -- a question similar to what an FDA agent would ask (click to see an actual example) of some vitamin company, expecting that company to make an illegal claim for cure of some dangerous disease. It is generally illegal to claim that you can "cure" cancer if you sell the product for which the claim is made -- that is, it is illegal unless the product has an FDA approval as a drug.
I gave Michael a very hard time on the phone and it upset him badly. Despite this he bought one of our products. I then got a very upset letter from him, below, to which I replied, as below, and sent along a complimentary bottle of Taheebo Life Tea.
This story is fascinating, and true -- read and enjoy!
-----Original Message-----
From: KeepYourTaxes@aol.com [mailto:KeepYourTaxes@aol.com ]
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 12:56 PM
To: karl@karlloren.com
Subject: I just ordered from you
Karl,
I just ordered from you and I understand your concern with the entrapment. I
would be very upset if people were constantly trying to entrap or get me into
trouble when I am running a legitimate business.
Regardless of whether or not you think my question is a false one. You did
not have to be so rude or defensive on your end. You could have simply said
"Transfer Factor Plus" has not been shown to reduce cancer at all and for me
to even imply it can would be illegal. What did getting defensive on your end
do for me, a customer of yours? Yes I still ordered it, because I might have
false hope that it will help my mom, or even if I know deep down it won't, it
allows me to think I am doing all I can to help prolong her life.
[Karl:] I understand your concern. I was angry because when I get asked this type of question I have to assume, for my own safety, that it is an entrapment agent. That may not seem fair to you, but it safeguards my personal freedom.I have had many years of talking about cancer and giving people advice. I know how to answer the right type of question -- you may not know how to ask, but the real enemy here is the FDA and AMA. They have the power to put ME in jail and I treat my freedom with care.
I did not know of the inquiries you had gotten before from people trying to
get you into trouble. If I had, I would not have asked the question.
[Karl:] You can never act as a stranger and ask a question such as "will this product be beneficial for cancer?" That is a dangerous question to ask -- whether the person being asked has been entrapped before or not.If you can for one moment put yourself in my shoes, and understand the desperation I
felt, would you have liked to be talked to the way you spoke to me? If your
daughter was dying from cancer, and she was going to die and you had to watch
her die, you had to watch her get sick and care for her, even if you knew it
was a long shot, wouldn't you try anyways? And wouldn't you have appreciated
a stern, but polite answer?
[Karl:] I have learned how to find out about these things.
I am putting myself in your shoes, so I understand your anger. But I didn't
know. I would hope in the future you could answer people like me that just
might be for real, more politely with the same message. It might not matter
to you. But it wouldn't have hurt you one bit to believe it could be a real
question - and to answer it politely while covering your end. Regardless of
your rudeness and "not giving one damn about my mom and whether or not she is
dying", I ordered from you anyway because I am desperate and I want to
believe I am doing my part to help her. I plan to order more in the future -
I actually am pondering on becoming a distributor as I am experienced and
have done extremely well in MLM. I ordered from you today because I didn't
know where else to go in order to get it so quickly. I will not be ordering
from you in the future, nor will I try to enroll as a distributor underneath
you as I would hate to follow th! e example of an upline as you have presented
yourself to be.
[Karl:] That is your decision. I am one of the best informed persons in the world on certain subjects.I have tried to mitigate my anger toward you by sending something that I think is far more effective than TF in the care of your mother.I hold in my hand the key to life for many -- and I give freely of my knowledge -- but the questioner has to know how to ask, and there is no second chance.Do as you wish about becoming a TF distributor, and about the complimentary bottle of Taheebo Life Tea that I have sent.
Best of luck on your business,
Michael D. Wheeler
Karl,
First off let me say I appreciate the time you took to respond to me and the
articles you left for me to read. I didn't expect a response back nor did I
expect to receive a generous gift for my mother. Thank you.
I found out about Transfer Factor from one of my customers. I told him my
mother had informed me she could not get chemo this time because the cancer
had spread to where chemo wouldn't reach it, and that it was a very
aggressive cancer. He then told me about Transfer Factor, how it helped
prevent people from getting sick, and how it cured cancer. (That was from his
mouth, not a distributors or manufactures.)
[Karl:] There is no doubt that many people have found this to be true.His reasoning was everybody
produces cancerous cells every day, but our immune system is able to kill off
the bad cells. Sometimes, when we were lacking in whatever we needed to do
that, the cancer would "win". He said transfer factor, from what he was told,
could reverse that and actually has. He also told me 50,000 doctors were
prescribing it for cancer treatment (I realized this was probably false since
I couldn't find any evidence of this on the web anywhere, but I was excited
anyway).
[Karl:] There are many MDs who sell TF, probably not "prescribe" it -- perhaps more MDs selling this product than any other nondrug product that has MD support for it. But, I suspect that these MDs are very careful to never claim that TF will "cure" anything.Naturally, I was very excited about this news and told my mother of
it. She agreed to take it because she said she had nothing to lose. At the
very least, if it made her not catch colds she would be happy. We (my mother
and I) never really expected it to CURE her cancer we just both hope that
maybe it will help her live a little longer. That's why I asked you if it
could prolong her life, but didn't ask if it would cure. After thinking about
my question to you, I have decided I don't need anyone to tell me it will or
won't because there is no way to prove or disprove whether it increased her
life span. On one of the web pages where they discuss health, I was told if
she did chemo she could live a couple more years, but if not she would die in
7-9 months. I also heard it can be totally spread within just two months
without chemo. This is all from web pages and my mothers friend who helps her
out with the MISP paperwork and other paperwork. My mother didn't want to
know anything about her cancer at first because she wanted to fight it and
felt a healthy, positive outlook would make it easier to fight. She was
forced to find out when they wouldn't give her chemo, and now she is trying
to get us prepared and trying to make this easy for all of us.
[Karl:] I will send you my article on "Do you have a right to die?" I don't think I've sent that.She has never been a complainer, is never negative, and even now when she is dying (except she looks so damn healthy right now - she glows right now and looks just
great), she is more concerned with us and letting us know not to feel guilty,
that we were good kids, that she is proud of us, etc... She is a very
special woman. She had an article in our local paper about her life which was
very inspiring because of what she has been through as a child and even as an
adult, and how she came through the abuse, neglect, abandonment in order to
get ahead and be a very happy, positive woman that doesn't give up. Well l I am
off track, and not seeming to be able to say to you what I want to without
saying the "wrong" thing. I have erased ten thank you sentences so far, So I
will just say a big thanks for the reply, the articles and the gift and leave
it at that.
[Karl:]And, did I send my article on diet? I believe that proper diet can cure any disease, but it is safe to say that because I don't "sell" the diet. My most important "life's work" is being presented, already 3000 pages, at the address shown below.The first amendment allows me to claim to cure cancer, but not to make that claim and sell something.I believe diet can cure cancer, but it may be too late for your mother.My diet article can be found, starting at:A very good friend of mine had pancreatic cancer, was given 30 days to live, and used the Taheebo Life Tea. he was later pronounced completely free of cancer. His story is partly told in my article about Taheebo, sent to you I think.
[Karl:] Let me know how it goes!
Best,
Michael
-----Original Message-----Karl,
From: KeepYourTaxes@aol.com [mailto:KeepYourTaxes@aol.com ]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 10:32 AM
To: karl@karlloren.com
Subject: Re: I just ordered from you
If you weren't in this business for a while, you would probably think I am
lying or my mother is, or that maybe it is all in her head from false hope,
but I have a story to tell you.
My mom didn't tell me this, but a week ago she had her first nosebleed in 30
years. She also had a urinary tract infection that made her double over
every time she went to the bathroom. She didn't go to the doctor for it
because she was hoping it would clear up on it's own but it got worse. She
was depressed because suddenly her back started hurting and she was scared
and upset that it was actually happening and it was happening so fast. She
wanted to walk in front of a car (although she never would have.) Her knee
was hurting where it made it hard for her to walk and she had to hop on one
leg while balancing the other while walking up steps.
I gave my mom the Transfer Factor plus and the Taheebo Life Tea. She was very
excited because suddenly she had hope again and she took them exactly how she
was supposed to. The next morning, she noticed her knee didn't hurt nearly as
bad as it had been. Then she put all her weight on that leg and supported
herself with just one leg. She said she hadn't been able to do that for
weeks. (Her knee now hurts again because she kept showing everyone how she
could balance on it and she was stepping on steps to show off and hurt
herself but she said it isn't nearly as hurt as it had been). Then she went
to the restroom, and realized she only felt a VERY slight burning sensation.
By the afternoon, she felt nothing when she urinated, and today she says it
is gone. The day before yesterday, she took a Vicadon (sp?) because her back
was hurting. That means her back was hurting alot because my mother is a
fighter, she even went back to work during chemo and a couple days after
major surgery even though she was swollen and told to stay home. Yesterday,
she said her back felt better, but thought it might be in her head. As the
day went on, she said she was sure her back felt better (near her tailbone).
Today, she says she feels nothing in her back. I asked if she were sure over
and over, because I didn't want her telling me there was no pain - compared
to what she was used to. I wanted to know, is there less pain or no pain. She
said no pain. She feels silly telling people this because they think she is a
nut. But she tells them anyway. I even crack a little smirk when she tells me
(I don't know why I am smirking at her because I WANT it to work - It is just
hard for me to believe and I can't help it.)
Her last blood work came back at 31 for a cancer count or tumor count that
they can tell through blood. She gets another blood test on the 14th of Dec.
I expect it to be higher than 31 because she just started this. But I am
hoping it is not too much higher. Truthfully, now I am hoping it is lower -
that would be the greatest. It is only day three for her on this stuff, and I
am scared that her pain is just not "acting up" today and yesterday, but she
assures me, there has been no "Acting up", that it has been a constant that
has gotten progressively worse then suddenly, it is gone.
I thank god I found you and you spoke harshly to me. Had you not, I would
never had received the Taheebo Life Tea because I wouldn't have known to ask
and you might not have offered it if you never knew why I was buying your
products. Things just worked out.
Thank you for all your help and especially for helping to ease my mothers
pain, even if it is just for a little bit.
Oh, has anyone ever told you everything just "looked brighter"? That is what
my mother told me, that the day was just "brighter" (visually not
emotionally) and she definitely felt good.
Michael
Karl Loren
After the above eMail was received by Michael, he called, thanked me again, and then asked me to talk to his mother. That was a heart-warming conversation -- she told me that she had hope and felt so much better. She specifically gave permission for her story to be published, and Michael agreed to send me more information about what will be happening.
Karl
