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The Q2 Machine:  Mysterious Science Pulls In Greedy Suckers

How about YOUR question here?

Read below or choose another question.

These fraudulent foot bath miracle scams are spreading like wildfire. The Aqua Detox!  Click here for yet another.

Here is another fraudulent MLM scheme -- "laundry balls" that eliminate the need for soap, and never need replacing!

Most Recent High Tech Addition To The Basic Fraud

The Death of the Fraud!

The corruption here? It trickles down from billion dollar corruption at the top!

There will be more, I'm sure.  I get these requests to look over some million dollar miracle regularly!

 

Are These Vitamins Natural?

Oral chelation means taking Cysteine or EDTA through the mouth

Is This MLM? Where Can I Learn About Cysteine?
Do Viruses Cause Disease? Where Can I Learn About Niacin?
Why Do People Take Vitamins? What About Prayer?
What Is Oral Chelation? EDTA Compared With Cysteine
What Is Fraudulent Taheebo? What Is  This Niacin Flush?
Why So Critical Of The AHA? What About Black Walnut As An Oral Chelation Nutrient?
How Long Should I Take Life
Glow Plus, What Results Can I Expect?
Why Should I buy your product when there are many others available at lower prices?
My Hands Have Gotten Warmer! Does Life Glow Plus Lower Cholesterol?  What if my cholesterol goes UP after taking Life Glow Plus?
What About Coumadin? Karl Loren:   What Are Your Credentials For These Claims?

What Are The Mechanics Of Chelation Therapy?

What Does Karl Loren Recommend For Diet?
Will Taking ZOLOFT Interfere With Taking Life Glow Plus? Why Does The FDA Do What
It Does?
Can Oral Chelation Prevent Or
Cure Cancer?
Where Do The Colostrum Cows Come From?
Can Phenylalanine Cause High Blood Pressure? Is Dilantin Dangerous?
Prescription Drugs Are Now
The #4 Killer!
ADD In Kids?
Karl, would you please listen to this cassette tape? How Is Drug Marketing
Changing?
Karl, I feel tired all the time! Useful Role Of The FDA?
How Do You Treat Dog Bites? What About Tobacco
Help Me Get My Son Off Cytoxin What If You Take Less Than The Recommended Dose?
What Is A Good Cleansing Program Ritalin
The Schoolyard Killer
How Can A Doctor Commit Murder and Get Away With It? What   Is The  Shelf Life Of Your Vitamins

Do You Have Independent Labs Test Your Ingredients?

What About Human Growth Hormone?  HGH?
For Your Transfer Factor?  Where Do The Cows Come From?  How Healthy? Another Chelation Doctor Proves His Ignorance of how EDTA works -- Dr. Whitaker
Complexity Leads To Death -- Simplicity Leads To Life This Woman Is Doomed!
What is the VERY BEST Schedule For Taking Your Oral Chelation Capsules

Karl, What About The Calcium Deposits In My Breasts?  Microcalcification?

What Can I Do About My Bent Penis -- Peyronie's Disease

Do Viruses Cause Disease?

The Mechanics of HOW Chelation Works

The "heated cholesterol" Fraud?
They Want Me To Get Tested! What Should I do?

Muscle Testing -- Kinesiology -- Valid Or Not?

Dr. Julian Whitaker Claims Oral Chelation Is No Good!  What Do You Say? What About Seasilver?  Or  The Latest MLM?
The Q2 Machine:  Mysterious Science Pulls In Greedy Suckers What About Coral Calcium?  Mr. Barefoot?
Milk!  The (Now) Dangerous Food! How To Tell If MSM Is The Real  Stuff!

Comparing Clathration with Chelation

Is It True? That You Refuse To Sell Anything To Anyone Taking Certain Drugs?
Can Chelation Cause Mercury To MOVE From The Body INTO The Brain? How Can I Buy Cheap EDTA?
Low Body Temperature -- Wilson's Syndrome How Can I Help Persuade My Friend To Use Alternative Methods?
Formatting Karl's Newsletter? I'm A Reporter.  Will You Help Me With My Story?
What Is The Vibrant Life Guarantee? Karl Loren's Advice About Diabetics
What Are The Vibrant Life Purposes? What is the Mohs Procedure For Skin Cancer
The Bio terrorism Act Of 2002 -- The Beginning Of The Need For Recognition of Change

Acid Reflux
Esophageal Cancer


The latest news, on March 15, 2004:

 

Dear Karl,  

This is just a response message to your report/views of others - the aqua chi machine.

Well I thought so! I purchased a clairol foot spa at a
local car boot this morning for £3.00 and am well pleased now.

What is disturbing though is that someone in this area is a "registered practitioner" of this treatment and almost certainly obtained some kind of a government grant for its purchase.

To think that it could potentially CAUSE HARM is quite dreadful. OK I know there are worse things people can do with their lives/money but having been a cancer
victim I feel quite strongly that people these days should be a little more protected in view of the fact that well:-damn finding cures for the above mentioned for just one dreadful disease  -  wotta bout the causes - and if could CAUSE HARM means exactly that who knows what that could
imply.?

No we've got far too much to learn yet regards causes never mind what the government and powers that be keep from us - the more we can protect ourselves from the better I just feel sorry for the people who so easily get sucked in hopefully they will drop on websites like your own to prevent that. Many many thanks for trying to help people -

XXX


December 18, 2002

Karl,

Thank you for your recent newsletter.

Having respect for your humble opinion can you please advise on the following product? Claims have been made that this unit can assist with chelation.

Do you have any comments?

The Q2 Water Energy System
http://webdeb.com/q-machine/new.htm

I look forward to your reply,
Jason Davis



To: "'Jason Davis'" <jason2susan@hotmail.com >
Subject: RE: The Wednesday Letter of December 18, 2002
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:45:55 -0800

Dear Jason,

Looks like worthless to me.  that is my opinion.

KL


-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Davis [mailto:jason2susan@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 7:50 AM
To: karl
Subject: RE: The Wednesday Letter of December 18, 2002


Hello again Karl,

Worthless, huh? Have you tried it?

Is this your opinion, or personal expereince?

Jason


Dear Jason,
 
If you wish to be fooled by mysterious science, so be it.
 
That product is a fraud as I see it.
 
It will be sold via some MLM to suckers who sell to suckers, and within one year or less will quietly disappear with suckers having lost a great deal of money.
 
You are obviously now hostile -- which means that you are already one of the suckers or want to be.
 
You will continue angry at me, logically, for pointing this out.
 
In the year, by the time it is a proven fraud, you will then be too embarrassed to ever write to me again.  You will have convoluted your thoughts so that I am, somehow, to blame for your foolishness.  I tell the truth despite the fact that I have to assume that you will never, ever buy any of my products.  That's OK with me!  This is my opinion, it cannot be a statement of fact.  Any comment I make about this product is my opinion -- to which I am entitled.  I am also entitled to copy copyrighted material for "fair comment" and I am sure doing that.
 
Of course this is dumb, but that is what happens when greed overcomes common sense.  Common sense should tell you that there is no free lunch, and that any "new science" or new pill, or new machine must have some ties to reality.

The Wall Street Journal recently summed up the infectious greed on Wall Street with an article that included this excerpt:

When the business history of the past decade is written, perhaps nothing will sum up the outrageous financial scheming of the era as well as the frenzied swapping that marked its final years. Internet companies such as Homestore Inc. milked revenue from complex advertising exchanges with other dot-coms in ultimately worthless deals. In Houston, equal amounts of energy were pushed back and forth between companies. The beauty of the deals, from the perspective of the participants, was that everyone walked away with roughly the same amount of revenue to put on their books.

But the swaps rage turned out to be no bargain for investors. The bad deals contributed to an epidemic of artificially inflated revenue. In many cases, swaps slipped through legal loopholes left in place by regulators who had failed to keep pace with the ever-changing dealmaking of ever-changing industries. The unraveling of those back-scratching arrangements helped usher in the market collapse and led to the realization by investors that the highest-flying industries of the boom era -- telecom, energy, the Internet -- were built in part on a combustible mix of wishful thinking and deceit. (source)

Yes, new stuff is developed regularly, but you cannot escape the boundaries of gravity and chemistry -- so you, the promoter of the fraud, clothe the new thing in mysterious words that greedy people will not understand, but more importantly, will not try to understand.

This is the key to recognizing such scams.  There are words for which no definition can be found.

Images are particularly misleading.  Here is the "new science" in an image to the right.

You could read more about the "field plates" and the "magnetic envelope" but you would never be able to logically connect or explain these deliberately mysterious terms to anything in a standard physics or chemical text book.

This is mysterious garbage.

Here is more:

The Q2 Energy Water System transfers negative hydrogen ions in a bio-organic form to your body, through water. B.E.F.E. (Bio-Electric Field Enhancement) is the basis for the Q2 Water Energy System. It is the latest in home-based systems developed by Q-Tech Laboratories as an aid for relaxation and well-being. The Q2 is based upon a new quantum resonance theory called Q-Mechanics that alters an external source of artificial energy into an energy format that is similar in nature and compatibility to that of a body. (source)

You read this and say, "I don't understand this completely, but they must understand it. They are so much more knowledgeable than I am. This must be a good product!"

When you read the full story of the above WSJ article, you'll find my simple explanation of the scheme as based on simply use of words for which no agreed definition was used.  When you find "words" in some promotional brochure, you have a moral obligation to yourself to be sure that you understand those words.

In this case the suckers will read words that have NO POSSIBLE MEANINGS in any standard context, they will ignore the lack of logic, and plunge ahead on the basis of infectious greed to make money quick.

The difference about me?  I see "mysterious words" and I go looking for the meanings.  This new scam has many wonderful words that have no meaning other than what a greedy person assumes must exist.

Here is an example.  Incidentally, like other frauds, the promoters have "fixed" their page so that it cannot be copied!  You try, discover this, and are further sucked into the mystery of it all.  Of course, there is a very easy handling for this so-called restriction.

 


A reader who asks that his name not be shown wrote this:

June 25, 2003
Dear Karl,  

Here's some info to add to your page on the "miracle foot bath".  But please do not put my name on the website or attribute this information to me.

In essence, the foot bath contains a low voltage/amperage AC to DC transformer attached to ferrous electrodes.

The process is basically electrolysis of water, a typical high school experiment.

The brown "toxins" you see is from the rust generated by the corrosion of the iron
electrodes.

Salt is added to make water conductive.  Hydrogen and chlorine gas is given off in this process. The oxygen atoms from the water combine in the liquid with the salt to form hydroxyl ions.  The chlorine gas is from the chloride in the salt. The oxygen in the hydroxl ions stay in the solution.

Given that chlorine gas is poisonous, this process can be dangerous to your health. And the explosive hazard posed by the hydrogen is another minus.

It is fairly simple to set up a demonstration to show how this scam works.


Karl:  This sounds valid to me -- further proof of the scam!

The following is taken from:  http://www.webdeb.com/q-machine/index.html


The Q2 Energy Spa

The New ORB

The Q2 Energy Spa was created to realign, balance and enhance the bio energetic levels in water that is then used by the cells of all living things. Experience increased vitality, clarity and an overall sense of well being. By using the Q2 Energy Spa regularly, you (and your family) can increase your energy levels whenever neede. Healthy or not the benefits of the Q2 Energy Spa ca be an advantage to all.

 

  • Latest in Health Technology An Organic Battery Charger First Non-Invasive System
  • Nature's first Helping Hand
  • Increases Natural Energy Levels Reduces Stress and Tension Restores Harmony and Balance
  • Simple & Easy to Use by Everyone

 

The Q2 Energy Spa is designed and manufactured in Australia and leads the world in non invasive energetic hydro-therapy technologies.

Water sources similar to Lourdes in France and other selected spas around the world produce enormous quantities of natural life energy imparted to them from the surrounding environment. Thousands of people each year flock to these spas to enjoy the invigorating and rejuvenating aspects that these waters provide.

The Q2 Energy Spa is in use by thousands of people around the world and has been credited with producing the same results in the comfort and privacy of your own home.

According to the ISPA, a generic term for ‘the traditional practice of treatment by waters to restore and revitalise the body’ is “Balneotherapy”.

Since the dawn of civilization, “Balneotherapy” has been used to improve circulation, fortify the immune system and to reduce stress, anxiety and tension.

Using the Q2 Energy Spa gives you the portability of these benefits.


 

The New 3100 Q Model is pictured here!


 

*These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration.
This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent disease.


I could point out the words, here, that have no agreed upon dictionary definitions.

Let's!

The claim is:

The Q2 Energy Spa was created to realign, balance and enhance the bio energetic levels in water that is then used by the cells of all living things.

Start with water.  There is a word we understand.  OK.

Then, you learn here that water has something called "bio energetic levels." What is this?

"Bio" usually means "life" but "bio energetic" would have no commonly understood meaning.  Perhaps it means "the energy of life?"  What would that be?  It is certainly mysterious.  Sounds great!

Apparently, according to this claim, water has some level of bio energy, but that this level needs realigning, balancing and enhancement?  The  Q2 machine will realign this energy. The Q2 machine will balance it! The Q2 machine will enhance it!

How could there be any possible connection between such words and commonly understood physics and chemistry?  My opinion is based on logic.

The sucker doesn't know what these words mean, but he is NOT interested in the science of this, but in the millions of dollars he can make.  He fools himself into thinking that this mysterious machine can make people healthy.  But, underneath it is only greed that drives such dumbness.

Keep in mind that the infectious greed for money carries over, in the pep rallies, to an assumption that "healing" and "health" are taking place.  Add into this the well-known "placebo effect" that indicates, commonly, that 25% of people who take a sugar pill will "get better."  It is not that they SAY that they get better, they actually do get better -- it is the placebo effect.

When you combine the infectious greed of the pep rally with the common placebo effect, you may well have a large number of distributors and customers swear that this machine cured XXX!  Anything!

The promoter then goes on with another touch to reality:

 that is then used by the cells of all living things.

Well, it is certainly true that all living things use water.  So, since this is true, then, probably, according to the promoter, the earlier comments must be true.

The promoter claims:

Experience increased vitality, clarity and an overall sense of well being.

Here is goes again.  The claim here is that you will experience increased vitality!

How would you define "vitality?"

How would you define "clarity?"

How would you define "sense of well being?"

The truth is that these words have no meaning except what a greedy person puts there out of his own twisted logic.

Here is more of the claim

By using the Q2 Energy Spa regularly, you (and your family) can increase your energy levels whenever neede.

(There is a typo on the page, "neede" should probably be "needed."

You can increase your "energy levels."

What are those?

"Whenever needed."

What, for goodness sakes, does that mean.

I recently wrote about the fraud of "Coral Calcium" based on their use of words that had no relevance or no meaning.  THIS Q2 product takes the cake!

The promoters claim:

  • Latest in Health TechnologyAn Organic Battery ChargerFirst Non-Invasive System
  • Nature's first Helping Hand
  • Increases Natural Energy LevelsReduces Stress and TensionRestores Harmony and Balance
  • Simple & Easy to Use by Everyone

If you have not become skeptical by now, you should have.

The "latest in Health Technology" is a simple claim, hard to prove false, but such a claim doesn't make the Q2 worthwhile, even if somehow true.

An "organic battery charger" is a curious phrase -- it is a phrase which creates a mystery, since you have probably never heard of an "organic" battery charger. There is nothing here to explain why "organic" is better or good, but it is certainly mysterious.  You expect that this is explained elsewhere on their pages?

I spent some time looking but could not find any explanation of "organic battery charger."  I did find a hidden reference to the fact that they take "regular" electricity and turn it into "bio energy" but apparently that is nothing more than low voltage, as shown on one of their not-easy-to-find references.

"Nature's first Helping Hand" is a phrase with not only no meaning, but implies a travesty against "Nature"  if by "Nature" you mean "God."

What is the definition of "Nature?"

Has "Nature" been actively withholding "her" "helping hand" up to now?

"Increases natural energy levels" is a phrase with no meaning.

What is "stress?"  What is "tension?"  Perhaps you think YOU know when you feel "stressed" but what common agreement on a definition would apply?

In any event, how do you know when even YOUR stress is "reduced?"

"Restores harmony and balance!"  Here is phrase with zero meaning!  None! Do you feel a lack of harmony?  Try kissing your wife! 

"Simple and easy to use by everyone."  Well, put some truth on the end of the lie.  But, also, if you read the frequently asked questions (below) you find a whole list of people who SHOULD NOT use this machine.  That is another part of the scam.

Much of marketing is based on the concept of "scarcity."  If something is too easy, or too much available, then it cannot be valuable.  On the other hand, you can make something appear to be more valuable by creating a fake scarcity.

You say that "everyone can use" this device, but then you make it plain that not only may pregnant woman NOT use the device, but neither can anyone with an electrical device inside their body.  These are reasonable, but if the whole thing is a fraud from the start, then bringing in fake scarcities just makes it appear more valuable to the sucker.


I could go on with just such an analysis of the product itself.

If you fall for this type of deception, shame on YOU.  Of course the company is guilty of fraud, but the Governor of California was a sucker for illegal energy manipulation, too, and now the citizens of  California are left with a State debt of about $30 billion paid in excessive prices to the energy companies, such as Enron, and others, who were infected with the greed of the day.


Now, as a final nail in the coffin that needs to hold this dead, but still quivering body, let's look at the enticement that feeds the infectious greed.  There is always a "compensation plan" with these MLM companies. This is the appeal to make millions of dollars without having to work -- just sign up a few people and sit back to wait for the checks to come in.

Q2 is equally vague on this one.  Several webs where this machine is being sold do NOT mention the terms of the MLM compensation program. But, there are references to "sponsor," and you can be sure there is, somewhere, the "plan" that will make you rich without working.

Here is one mention of the business opportunity:

Are your energy levels low whatever type of healing you try - orthodox, complementary, alternative? Do you have any physical, mental or emotional problems? A spa energy system device from Australia could change all that and give you a lucrative business. Use it for yourself and/or to make money. See: www.q2.com.au Contact Jill Bray, Albert Park Road, Malvern WR14 1HN. Tel/Fax 01684 560354 or jill@jillbray.freeserve.co.uk   (source)

It's good to know that the Q2 even solves emotional problems.

In fact, like many fraudulent MLMs, someone is recommending a "cookie cutter" web design, probably only to suckers who buy 10 of these useless devices, or some such requirement, and thus all you have to do is wait for the orders to come in.


I've published your letter and my reply as one of my Frequently Asked Questions.  The world is full of false and fraudulent claims, particularly in the field of health.  I see them all the time.  When I investigate one I find, very often, that some greedy money motive is at the root.  People get interested in frauds like this because they want to make a lot of money.  Typically these products are sold by MLM (Multi Level Marketing) companies.  The greed overcomes logic.  The developers and promoters know they are lying to you, but they have only money as their motives.  You THINK you want to help people, but you are really just interested in the buck.

You convince yourself they are right -- because you want the buck. That also is my opinion of the people who buy into this.

You then peddle your false sincerity and convince others.  They might claim that they are really only interested in helping others.  If you remove the MLM and "millions to be 'earned' with no work" appeals?  Then, no one shows much interest.

For years I've wanted to invent a whole new (fake) product, just to show what it would like when taken to some extreme level.  It would be a machine, or a pill that solves death, or makes fat people thin, or guys irresistible to girls, or some such claim.

I would structure it so that you could invest $5 to get your kit, then a "few dollars" more for your sample, and that you should then hurry up to open new checking accounts because you would not want to have all those soon millions in just one bank.  The money would all be here by next Tuesday, but only if you are one of the first 13 to get your sample.

Oh, by the way, these are being produced in a brand-new, state of the art factory, and the first shipments will be next Thursday.

Hurry!

Good luck.

 
KL

I have pasted in below one of their pages with, supposedly, a full explanation of this device.

Your message to me is on this page: http://www.oralchelation.com/faq/answers9.htm

The source of the below material is just one of many independent distributors for this fraudulent device -- the MLM company that suckers you in.

 http://www.webdeb.com/q-machine/faq.htm

BEWARE! This link, above, has an automatic re-director to a porn site, called

http://boobs.com/

 

I was able to get the correct page, but since doing that this re-director has become effective.  You will see the correct page flash on your screen, then the porn site.  Karl Loren
 


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Q2 Water Energy System
Frequently Asked Questions
 

 

Why should I use the Q2 Water Energy System?
We could give you a million reasons why you should use the Q2 Water Energy System but the one at the top of our list is that you owe yourself a life filled with positive energy and vitality. Q2 Water Energy System is the newest and most revolutionary natural hydro-therapy product on the market and it can be used in the comfort and privacy of your own home.

There are no drugs involved, the device is completely non-intrusive and all you have to do is relax in the bath and let the Q2 Water Energy System unit do the rest. If you have health problems or even if you are fit as a fiddle the Q2 Water Energy System will still be of benefit to you. Many years of research and testing have demonstrated that the Q2 Water Energy System is completely safe and best of all .... it really works!
 

Who should use the Q2 Water Energy System?
Almost anyone can use the Q2 Water Energy System. Even if you use a healthy diet or have chosen one of the many therapies available on the market today, this system will still prove to be of benefit. If you are suffering from pain or if you have tried everything else and nothing seems to work than you should definitely use the Q2 Water Energy System unit. Even perfectly healthy people (though very few of us are these days) find it still gives them that extra boost of energy that gets them through the everyday hustle and bustle of life.
 

Who should NOT use the Q2 Water Energy System
Those who have any battery operated implants.
Those who may be or are pregnant.
Those who have been recipients of organ or other organic transplants.
 

Organ transplant patients
- The reason being, those persons who have had an organ transplant are required to take anti-rejection drugs to survive.  There is a possibility that the Q2 Water Energy System could extract this essential drug from the body. This same theory of drug extraction by the Q2 Water Energy System also applies to others that may be taking similar life sustaining drugs.
 

Pregnant women
The design of the Q2 Water Energy System allows it to work specifically on one bio-entity only at a time.  In the
case of a pregnant woman, there are two completely separate bio-entities the mother and the fetus.  Although these
entities are contained in the one body they still remain separate. Understanding why two people cannot share a bath can
draw a clearer picture of why pregnant women cannot use the Q2 Water Energy System.
 

Hemophiliacs
People with Hemophilia should not use the Q2 Water Energy System for the reasons being that hemophilia is a flaw in the body's blood clotting system. Blood clotting (also known as coagulation) is the process that controls bleeding by changing blood from a liquid to a solid state. Certain parts of the blood are known as clotting factors. In people with bleeding disorders, these clotting factors are missing or do not work as they should. With the Q2 Water Energy System, certain hemophiliacs have very thin blood, and with this condition using the unit may thin it further and could be fatal.
 

How Frequently should I use Q2 Water Energy System?
Q2 Water Energy System should be used every other day with session times lasting 25 to 35 minutes.  This will allow time for the energies to become integrated into the system and avoid over-stimulating the individual.
 

Can I still use the Q2 Water Energy System while taking  prescriptive drugs?
This question is quite tricky as there are so many prescriptive drugs. As a rule people who are on day to day prescriptive drugs, we feel this is fine, as long as you and your physician are comfortable with it. People whom are on life sustaining drugs, we recommend that you finish your course of medication then use the Q2 Water Energy System, however if you feel comfortable using the Q2 Water Energy System, and so does your physician, then it is entirely up to you the individual.
 

How does the unit leech toxins from the body?
During bathing with the Q2 Water Energy System, we are reconfiguring and amplifying the bio-electric signatures of individual cells. Through the dermal layer the enhanced bio electric field is then translated to the outer cell layers by method of flooding or otherwise known as irradiation. This then causes an emanation envelopment of the next layer of cells and continues layer after layer until the dilation of the field strength equals that of the cell integrity. This action results in the purging of toxins and nucleic waste products kept and/or generated within the cells and surrounding membranes and passes it out through the body.
 

Is the Q2 Water Energy System safe to use for people who have metal plates in their bodies?
Yes it is perfectly safe. Our only concern is Electrical implants in the body.
 

Can I share my Q2 Water Energy System bath with someone else?
NO! This Is NOT an OPTION.... Two people cannot share a bath while using the Q2 Water Energy System. Each person or bio-entity has their own specific body frequency or signature. No two people have the same signature. The Q2 Water Energy System is designed to enhance and amplify only one bio-signature at a time. This is the same reason why pregnant women cannot use the Q2 Water Energy System, there are two separate signatures. In the case of having two separate signatures in a bath while the Q2 Water Energy System is in operation, the unit cannot separate the two signatures and so treats them as one. This could result in an exchange of illness and/or effect of injury between the two people.

Can somebody else use my bath water after my Q2 Water Energy System bath?
For much the same reason as why you cannot share a bath with another person neither can you use the same bath water as some one else. Once a person has used the Q2 Water Energy System their base signature and all the toxins that have been drawn out of their body are now in the water, so it is the same as sharing a bath. It is very important that you begin your Q2 Water Energy System bath treatment with fresh clean water so as there are no foreign substances or other signatures present that could interfere with the treatment.
 

Does it matter what material my bath or foot bathing container is made out of?
The best material to use is: Copper, Crystal and Glass or plastic. I personally use a plastic dish washing bucket. This is perfect for my feet!
 

Why does the water color change?
The color change in the water can be attributed to a multitude of variances including, the water quality you are using, your health status, and the weather conditions, just to name a few.  Because the Q2 Water Energy System is using electricity, there is a precipitation of impurities that will settle out of the water due to an electrolysis effect.
 

What causes the bath water to change color? I have seen brown, greenish or orange?
Once you begin using the Q2 Water Energy System you may notice changes in the color and the deposits left in the water after use. The first thing you need to understand is what the Q2 Water Energy System is designed to do. The unit is specifically designed to act on water because your body is primarily made of water (up to 85%) and it is this action that makes the Q2 Water Energy System Unit so effective when you use it.

Because the Q2 Water Energy System uses the water to make it work it has the same effect on the water in the bath or container you are using it in. Under perfect water conditions the Q2 Water Energy System does not cause the color of the water itself to change, and when an individual is IN the water with the unit, the material released causing the color change can be 95%  and above consisting primarily of released toxins from the individual  However, because not everyone has the perfect water source, the unit may cause their water to change color even if no one is in the water with the unit operating. The water out of the faucet can have a variety of cehmicals present - primarily chlorine....

 

My water is clear and my spouses is yucky, why?
Everyone is different and not one person has the same ailment or lack of, the same. There is no need to be concerned. As stated in the water section, the colour of the water really depends of all types of variations from water, weather and health conditions.  Clean water after a Q2 Water Energy System bath usually indicates that your water supply is very good and maybe so is your health.
 

Can I drink the bath water?
NO - never drink the water after a treatment. It is strongly recommended that you do not drink the water. The dirty coloring of the water is caused by the release of toxins from the body and water back into the water. So after a treatment all that nasty stuff that was in your body is now in the water. So to drink the bath water would be to put all those yucky toxins back into your body. This could possibly make you ill.
 

Will the toxins that come out of the water and my body go back into my system?
No, for simple reasons that what ever has been released from the water or your own body has been ejected from the source and is then classed as neutralized.
 

Can I touch or move the array whilst in the bath?
Yes certainly, you can touch and move around in the bath with the Q2 Water Energy System, but to ensure that the cables do not become unattached we don't recommend moving it about in the bath.
 

Why can I not use the Q2 Water Energy System every day?
The idea behind only having a bath every second day is to allow the body to assimilate the increased energy level. Having a Q2 Water Energy System bath enhances your  energy field, giving it extra to assist your body in any repairs it may need. You need a days break in between to let your body do the repairs on its own, without assistance.
 

Why do I have to have a break every 28 days?
The methodology behind this is to allow the body to stabilize in it's new state.. This is similar to why we say to have a bath every second day. If the user has a critical or long term illness, we recommend that they bath for 90 days, then after that time, they themselves can assess their health status to determine if they would like to continue with another treatment or not.
 

I was told not to have a break because of my condition, is this right?
Yes, sometimes people have ailments that are quite extreme, and your health care professional may recommend additional Q2 Water Energy System sessions in some cases.
 

Can I put bath salts, bath oils or other additives into the bath?
No - this is NOT an option. This is a healing bath. These foreign substances in the bath make the water too conductive and this will cause the plates to erode much faster than they should, decreasing the life span of your unit. Putting such foreign additives into the bath will also interrupt and interfere with the treatment process of the Q2 Water Energy System. The more things you put in the water the harder the device will have to work to remove them. So have a treatment with the Q2 Water Energy System one-day and relax with bath salts the next day and you should feel like you are on top of the world.
 

Can I use the Q2 Water Energy System in a spa bath?
Because of the chemicals that most people put in their spa baths we do not recommend that you use the Q2 Water Energy System in the spa. These chemicals are the same principle of foreign additives to the water, they are bad for the unit and bad for you. Another reason is that the current from the air jets could damage the unit. In addition, the fact that the water in spa baths is not changed after every bath does not make this a very good choice for treatment with the Q2 Water Energy System.
 

Should I take off my jewelry before using the Q2 Water Energy System?
While you are in the bath with the Q2 Water Energy System, the unit is reproducing all the frequencies of the body in their entirety. If you are wearing jewelry, the unit will reproduce all frequencies of the body including those of the jewelry as though they are one. Now the reason that this is not a desirable effect is simple, for the unit to work on your body at its optimal efficiency there should only be your very own unaltered body frequency in the bath. Therefore, we recommended that you do take off your jewelry before beginning a Q2 Water Energy System treatment.
 

Is it alright to have a Q2 Water Energy System bath directly after I have eaten or should I wait?
It is perfectly all right to have a bath straight after youíve eaten if you wish to. The type of food you eat or the times in which you eat will have absolutely no effect on the treatment you receive from the Q2 Water Energy System. However it is probably not a good idea to eat while you are in the bath.
 

Do I have to lie/sit still, or can I move about?
Just like in an ordinary bath, you can move about freely, you can read a book, sing a song or even meditate if you want to. None of the above mentioned will have any effect on the treatment you receive from the Q2 Water Energy System. However I do recommend that you do not move about in the bath as the rough movement of the water may damage the Q2 Water Energy System or detach it from the power supply.
 

Can I add more water to the bath halfway through the treatment?
It is a good idea to make sure you have ample water in the bath before beginning a treatment with the Q2 Water Energy System as you cannot add more water half way through the treatment. Once you have turned the Q2 Water Energy System on, it begins to alter the frequency of the water to that inside the tap. Adding more water from the tap is adding a different frequency to bath and this will interfere with the Electro magnetic field that the Q2 Water Energy System has created and so change the effect of the treatment.
 

When bathing with the Q2 Water Energy System, why do certain parts of my body tingle or slightly hurt?
Generally certain parts of your body tingle or slightly hurt as this is the area the Q2 Water Energy System is focusing its attention on. You can probably remember at one stage damaging that area. If this tingle or slight pain becomes uncomfortable, it is recommended that you get out of the bath, the next time in the bath wont be so uncomfortable.
 

I get tingles in my legs, but I have never damaged my legs?
You may not have damaged your legs, but your circulation could be in need of assistance. As stated above and below, if you ever feel uncomfortable, get out of the bath, and wait till your next treatment.
 

I sometimes feel sick in the bath, what should I do?
At any time you feel unwell in a bath or unsure, get out. The most important thing is that you are comfortable. If this happens, don't feel bad, just next time try for a few minutes longer, until you can feel comfortable in a 35 minute bath. If you do feel uncomfortable having full baths, try having foot baths first.
 

Why do I feel tired after a bath?
Our bodies do most of their regenerating while we are asleep. A lot of people comment that they feel tired after a bath, so it is recommended to these people to have their baths in the evening before retiring for the night, so their bodies can get that well deserved rest they possibly need. Other people comment of feeling very active after a bath, which in this case is recommended that they maybe have their baths morning/during the day.
 

Why is the Q2 Water Energy System different from other Bio Technology?
The Q2 Water Energy System uses Bio electrical energy. Most other inventions still use main stream electricity that can be very damaging to the cellular structure. Not only will main stream electricity damage the cellular structure, but also removes everything (bad and good organisms) from the body. Most other technologies that are still using main stream electricity are also using a dial in frequency for certain ailments, where as the Q2 Water Energy System will use ONLY natural bio electrical energy, will only remove the bad from the body, and has a preset frequency that is constant to cover all ailments.


Q2 Water Energy System Technical Questions:
 

Array

What is the function of the plates on the array?
The function of the plates on the Array is to produce the complex field that interacts directly with the water, and through the water is translated to bio electric energy, that is then carried by the water to our bodies.  The array plates are composed of copper and of a proprietary non-reactive alloy.
 

How do I keep the Array in good condition?
Keeping the Array in good condition is simple and easy. We recommend cleaning the Q2 Water Energy System Array following every treatment by soaking the Array in a GREEN CLEANER or a solution of 50% CLR, (Calcium, Lime and Rust cleaner) and 50% water for 10-15 minutes.  Rinse Q2 Water Energy System thoroughly with fresh water before using again.
 

How can I tell when to replace the plate and track sets?
Water conditions play a large role in the erosion of the positive plates and track. For this reason it is very difficult to put a time frame on when to replace. The easiest way to determine when to change the positive plates and track is to take a close inspection. Place your finger on the positive plates and track, if it bends, replace it as the metal has gone through a transmutation.
 

Power Supply

What is the significance of the lights on the power supply?
The significance of the lights is to show you firstly that the power is on - the first green light is only a "power on" indicator, then as the lights increase it is showing you how much power the unit is supplying to the array in the bath. The more lights, the more power.

As a rule 2-5 lights up is the optimal power, any more than that and you are drawing more power which will put more strain on the unit itself.  Also, the metallic plates of the unit will wear out faster if more than five green lights are on. If all the lghts come on and start flashing it means your unit is drawing maximum power and will shut itself down.  If your unit displays over five green lights, then you should use the power attenuater with the unit.
 

I am a little concerned about getting in the bath with an electrical device. Is it safe?
Yes it is perfectly safe. The Q2 WATER ENERGY SYSTEM unit converts the raw electrical energy into a Bio electric energy that is compatible with the body using water as its medium. The power supply has been constructed to meet stringent international electrical standards. The Q2 Water Energy System has received the Australian equivalent to the U.S. UL approval rating. It has been accredited with a CE mark which can be viewed, below.

Warranty
What is the Warranty on the Q2 Water Energy System?
The Warranty on the Q2 Water Energy System, excluding consumable items, (plates, tracks, cables, towels, bags) is 3 months, extendable to12 months if the original warranty registration card is returned to us here at Q-Tech.

*These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration.
This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent disease.

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From: margie
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 3:53 PM
Subject: RE: Message to Karl Loren from the Chelation Therapy On Line HomeSection


Karl,

My husband is getting a therapy from a chiropractor. He puts his hands or feet into a pail of water with an electric coil. 

It is suppose to pull out toxins out of the body. Different colors in the water is to signify  different things . Black being metals, yellow toxins in the kidneys or urine system. What do you think of this therapy? 

My husband has a serious kidney disease. This Dr. says he won't have to have
dialysis if he continues this therapy for 10 times.   

Thanks Karl


Maggie
 

-----Original Message-----
From: margie
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 9:36 PM
To: karl
Subject: RE: Message to Karl Loren from the Chelation Therapy On LineHomeSection


Karl,

It sounds like one of those water machines. I went to there site and looked at the different machines. It does look like one of those.

The water turns colors. Today he did his hands again. The water turned very blue. The Dr. claims the water is pulling toxins out of his kidneys. 

Thanks   Maggie


Dear Maggie,

There is no science here -- only mysticism.
So, what does it cost for this magic?
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