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Karl Loren
-----Original Message-----
From: geoffrey tilga [mailto:catusfelis@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 9:49 AM
To: karl@karlloren.com
Subject: The Wednesday Letter of May 28, 2003
DEAR KARL:
I HAVE 43 MICROGRAMMES/DECILITRE OF LEAD IN MY BLOOD. THE NYS HEALTH
DEPARTMENT CALLED ME AND WARNED ME OF THIS, ALTHOUGH EXCELLUS HEALTH INSURANCE
WON'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL IT IS 80 MICROGRAMMES/DECILITRE.
I WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH ORAL EDTA TREATMENT, AND HAVE FOUND A PROVIDER OF CHEMICALS TO EXPERIEMNTAL LABS WHO WILL GIVE ME THE EDTA POWDER IN SODIUM SALT EDTA FORM FOR 500 GRAMS/$40.00.
[AN ASTOUNDING SAVING OVER BUYING IT IN 'HEALTH' FOOD STORES!!!]
THE CHEMIST IN THIS SMALL COMPANY SAID THERE ARE TWO OTHER FORMS OF EDTA: MAGNESIUM SALT AND FREE ACID. HE SAID IT WILL NOT DISSOLVE READILY IN WATER UNTIL THE WATER IS TITRATED WITH SODIUM HYDROXIDE TO HAVE A pH OF 9-10.
IS THIS TITRATION WITH SODIUM HYDROXIDE IMPORTANT, OR IS THE COMMON GLASS OF WATER WE WOULD PUT THE 5 GRAMMES OF EDTA[ DAILY DOSAGE GIVEN ACCORDING TO MY WEIGHT OF 180 POUNDS] JUST A VEHICLE OR CARRIER OF THE EDTA TO THE STOMACH AND DIGESTIVE SYSTEM?
WHAT FORM OF EDTA SHOULD I ORDER- THE SODIUM SALT EDTA,
MAGNESIUM SALT EDTA, OR FREE ACID EDTA TO CHELATE THE LEAD OUT OF MY BLOOD?
GEOFFREY WAYNE TILGA
catusfelis@hotmail.com June 10.2003
I certainly do not require that you buy stuff from me, but neither would I expect you to take my free information and use it to go elsewhere because some price is cheap. If you do that, and I don't know about it, well, that is "life." But, if you do that and then come bragging to me about it? Well, this is the type of response anyone should expect!
I have exposed fraudulent products on the web, including many fraudulent oral chelation products -- I probably have more pages and more information about heart disease than any other web in the world. Heart disease is still the number one killer in society -- it kills because people do not have the information I offer. It would kill many more if my information were not available.
I have exposed crooked drug companies and dangerous medical practices. It is rare if not impossible to find someone on the web who promises to answer every personal message he receives -- I do that. There are literally thousands of people who have written to me, and received a personal reply. Free, of course!
You have written a personal message to me, expecting an answer!
I have a feeling that others whose morals are in the gutter might do the same as you -- they may even find this page. If they do, I suspect they will have the sense NOT to write personally to me, to brag, and to ask for further free information so they can cheat and steal from me.
Can you imagine what I think of a person who would steal such life-saving information?
He is less than dirt!
I publish your query, and my answer and invite others to write to you, to phone you, to tell you what they think of you. I hope they do just that. I'm sure you will change your eMail address, and probably your phone. Perhaps you should move to a communist country where medical care is "free."
You have been sucking free information from me for a full year -- calling us, asking questions, reading web pages and getting help as I offer to all. You, of course, are no longer entitled to anything other than a glare from us!
You have one of those "free" eMail accounts which, I'm sure, you will now change -- but I now place your address here also:
Geoffrey W. Tilga
94 Edinburgh St.
Rochester, NY 14608
Phone: 716-262-4327
We have spent money on YOU -- sending you free information in the mail.
Others who read this? They may well think that it is dangerous to send their address to Karl Loren? Well, if they have evil intentions, it is dangerous because I don't put up with such immoral behavior.
Our Company, of course, will never, ever sell anything to you in the future.
I have written more on this HERE.
Geoffrey, shame on you!
June 12, 2003
KARL:
WHY DID YOU CHANGE MY RECORDS? IN WHAT WAY HAVE I OFFENDED YOU? THE MAN WHO IS WORKING WITH MY PHYSICIAN IS A CERTAIN PROF HANS LAASBERG, RETIRED OF THE HARVARD MEDICAL SCHOOL. HE WAS A RESEARCH PROFESSOR WHOSE SPECIALTY WAS THE HUMAN BLOOD. I AM FORTUNATE TO KNOW HIM AS HE IS MY FATHER'S BEST PERSONAL FRIEND. HE IS FAMILIAR WITH EDTA CHELATION-ITS USED IN EUROPE-BUT IS NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH IT AS YOU ARE. TO GET THE EDTA IN CAPSULE FORM IN HEALTH STORES HERE WOULD HAVE COST ME ALMOST $400 AND AS DR. GORDON AND YOURSELF POINT OUT, THE AMOUNT OF PILLS ONE MUST CONSUME DAILY IS ENORMOUS DURING THE BEGINNING OF THE CHELATION THERAPY. SO, HE SUGGESTED A CHEMICAL SUPPLIER-EDTA IS A NON PRESCRIPTION FOOD ADDITIVE AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO GET IT THROUGH THE MAIL WITH NO PROBLEMS. DR. GORDON DID, IN PASSING MENTION AN EDTA POWDER HE USED IN PLACE OF THE PILLS, BUT WE HAVE SO FAR BEEN UJNABLE TO LOCATED A SOURCE FOR IT ON THE INTERNET OR ELSEWHERES. DO YOU HAVE ANY SOURCES OF THIS EDTA POWDER? IF WE BUY FROM THE CHEMISTS, THE GOOD DR TOLD ME WE HAVE TO TITRATE THE POWDER TO PH OF 9-10 USING SODIUM HYDROXIDE IN WATER BEFORE ADDING 5GMS OF EDTA[ I WEIGH 185 LBS] AND THEN DRINKING THE EDTA WATER MIXTURE. THE POWDER DR. GORDON MENTIONS MAY ALREADY HAVE THIS TAKEN CARE OF. I WOULD PREFER TO BUY IT TO SAVE MYSELF THESE HEADACHES.
PFSR LAASBERG SUGGESTED THE MAGNESIUM BASED EDTA SALT. WHAT DO YOU THINK?
GEOFFREY TILGA
catusfelis@hotmail.com 6/11/03
June 12, 2003
Dear Geoffrey,
It would seem clear that you have not read my response to the last message.
Karl Loren
-----Original Message-----
From: bulkmsm (bulkmsm) [mailto:bulkmsm
(bulkmsm)]
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 10:43 AM
To: extract2@oralchelation.com
Subject: Message to Karl Loren from the Chelation Therapy On Line Home
Section
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message:
Dear Karl,
take my letters to you off of your website. It is intellectual property-under
copyright by me-and you are trespassing on my life. Whatever I-or you-write is
intellectual property and you did not ask my permission to post this. If you
had made a counter offer for EDTA powder I would have gladly ordered it from
you. Who has the 'Attitude' here?
You steal information -- a very immoral behavior.
Dear Glen,
You have taken my information -- gained by me over 20 years, a labor of presenting truth that does not exist in any other place.
My information has been free.
I can only afford to continue to do this because people have bought my oral chelation.
You have become a thief!
You take my information, without any exchange.
You then go looking for something, cheap, that you would never even know about unless you first stole my information.
That is a moral bankruptcy.
To amaze me even further, you write to me to brag about this moral lapse.
You expect me, somehow, to approve of what you have done??
I have read your miserable justification below. I always find it to be true that when someone steals my information, without any exchange, they always alter it to make parts of it no longer workable.
I see that in your message.
You can be certain that YOU will not get any further free information from me.
Your message, and this reply, will be posted on my web site.
Perhaps some others will read it and stay away from my products? That is OK with me because honesty and integrity are more important than health.
I am not even sorry for you -- you have chosen the thief's way. Too many in our society have done just that!
Go look for your message on my web -- do not write to me again.
Karl Loren
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Date: Wednesday March 23, 2005
Time: 11:44:59 PM -0700
message:
Dear Karl,
I've enjoyed reading your articles on your site.
Your dedication is to be admired.
My finances are very limited, but I decided I wanted to try oral chelation therapy. I've read a great deal about it, and I decided I needed to find some formula I could afford in large enough amounts to have an effect.
After much consideration and weighing my finances I decided I wanted to simply buy the most inexpensive EDTA capsules I could find.
In the morning I've been taking 8 capsules per day or about 5 grams for just over 2 weeks now. I, also, take vitamins and particularly minerals in the evening to supplement any depletion I may be suffering.
I had little fear of diahrrea since I've suffered from
chronic constipation since childhood. I'm told that the chronic constipation
damaged the deep veins of my legs, the valves in particular. For
constipation nothing works with me for long save Magnesium oxide powder. My
body adapts to everything else. I've tried every type of fiber and diet
known to man. Nothing works except magnesium.
I'm trying oral chelation for two reasons: high cholesterol and bypass
surgery is rampant in my family.
Second, I'm experiencing memory problems which I suspect may be due to lack of blood supply to the brain.
I have suffered from cardiac arrhythmia in the past
with associated memory loss.
For cholesterol, I've been taking niacin, 1500-2000mg once per day. In that way I avoid possible liver problems since my body has 24 hours to recoup from any untoward effects.
I, also, use cinnamon and cilanthro liberally in much
of what I eat.
I've heard that EDTA does not remove mercury. I've heard that it removes
heavy metals according to molecular weight, heaviest molecular weight
removed first. It seems if that is the case, then as EDTA depletes the
heavier metals, it will sooner or later move up the periodic chart to the
lighter ones?
Hence, if one consumes enough EDTA sooner or later
there may be an effect? The other thought I had, is if chelation works by
lowering the heavy metal concentration in the body to the point that the
concentration no longer interferes with cellular function via promoting free
radical reactions, then the first goal is to reach the point where cellular
function is facilitated and the excess calcium buildup is decreased. Anyway
those were some of my thoughts.
As expected a short bout of diahrrea from the EDTA occurred, but it
decreased and I've been having normal bowel movements lately. We'll see if
my body adapts to the EDTA and returns to chronic constipation. Presently
the EDTA is holding its own. I've stopped the magnesium completely for the
first time in several years. I'm 57, by the way. I'd be interested in what
you think of my poor man's approach. Thanks
After Glen received my above message, he sent the following:
Dear Mr. Loren,
I'm sorry you feel the way you do. It appears that like those you critique
for being influenced by money, that is the pharmaceutical companies and
medical establishment, that you too are not beyond the influence of the
dollar. Such is your rapaciousness and arrogance that you try and judge me
without even a conversation. You obviously have little experience with
economic hardship or, at least, have little compassion for those who do.
From your response you appear akin to the cardiologist I attended after my
first heart attack, who emphasized the importance of a followup period, but
proved unwilling to demonstrate any fee flexibility.
You speak of the costliness of IV chelation and the probable effect it has
on those who perform such operations, but you fail to look at yourself in
the same manner.
Glenn
Dear Elizabeth,
The web site for this product contains absolutely false data, as follows:
Cardio Renew is a 100% liquid blend of pure EDTA. Only a liquid can provide you the time advantage of the immediate absorption rate of over 95% into your blood stream. This in turn goes directly to work cleaning blocked arteries and veins. Within one hour the process is complete and will pass the chelated material out of your system through your urine. This allows you to take Cardio Renew as often as ten times a day with no side effects. Being a 100% blend of only EDTA assures you that no additives, preservatives or buffers interfere with the chelation power of the EDTA.
This is essentially the same as Angioprim, or whatever -- there are many complete copies of this fraud on the web.
It is well proven, scientifically, that only about 5% to 10% of EDTA taken orally enters the blood stream. I have thousands of pages about EDTA on my web -- no one comes close to my data and description. It is useful, of course, but the above claim contains dangerously false information.
One dose is 14 drops, suggested 3 times per day -- or 42 drops.
Definition of a "drop:"
The smallest quantity of liquid heavy enough to fall in a spherical mass.
| 1 drop | 1/20 mL |
So, one drop is 1/20 of a mL.
A "liter" is close to one quart. an "mL" is one one-thousandth of a quart.
So, a drop is 5% of one one-thousandth of a quart.
This is a very tiny amount.
EDTA used in IV chelation is 100% absorbed into the blood, and the dosage is about 2 or 3 grams. The amount you are getting is so tiny that it cannot be measured practically.
My formula contains THREE different chelating ingredients, including EDTA.
This product is a complete fraud--= you have helped the fraud expand in its damage to society.
I am sorry you have fallen for this fraud.
It is not unusual for a person to believe that he has had results -- generally all scientific studies that involve tests with people find that 25% to even much more of the people will "get better" taking sugar pills, or, in this case, sugar water or even real EDTA, but not in a dosage to do any benefit except to fool you.
Much angina pain is actual gas in the stomach. This is well known by many studies and much experience. Unfortunately some number of people rush to the emergency ward with gas from bad food and some doctor sticks them with bypass surgery -- - such is the level of immorality amongst doctors.
I do not doubt that this product is EDTA -- I have researched that substance for oral chelation more than any other person, and have 100,000 pages on this and related subjects.
It pains me to see someone read my free information and then buy a fraud.
It pains me to think that someone would take my free information, not pay a penny for it, and then purchase a cheap fraud.
I am sorry to hear your report -- I will now return to the work I've done, years ago, where I publish an expose of this fraud. I have more than 30 frauds on my web pages, but I see, now, that there are probably many more.
That web site is the height of deception.
I do not expect you will write again -- you have harmed yourself and society by taking from me without exchange. You have harmed your self by this moral lapse.
Karl Loren
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Dear Karl,
After my first bout of angina 4-5 months ago, I began intensive oral
chelation with angioprim, before I learned about your formulas and read your
informative website. My angina got better and I am now on a maintenance
dose of about 10-20 drops every other day. My angina and chest discomfort
has returned mildly and this worries me. I also have sharp brief pains in
my left kidney and on the kidney meridian points around my left ankle. I
have never had any health problems such as diabetes, nephritis. I have had
high cholesterol which is now lowered. I do not smoke/drink/drug and I
exercise alot. I am concerned about these symptoms. I have no M.D. or other
knowledgeable practioner whom to contact for consultation and help here in
NYC. I am considering whether I should have IV chelation (I read about a
"short 1 minute push"), thinking maybe the oral chelation is not enough or
may have damaged my kidney. What do you think? Do you have a list of
licensed practitioners near or in NYC whom you believe are qualified to help
me with my health problem? If you could repsond ASAP, most appreciated.
Thank you for your dedicated work and for getting your work out there on the
web.
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