Karl, How About This (Complex) Solution To My Complex Problem?
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Dear Karl,
I was researching items by Hans Neiper and came across your site.. I have been
recently diagnosed with a very rare form of cancer in September 2001... I had
surgery on September 21st and they removed half my colon but the cancer spread
to my liver and even though it only affects 10% of it they said they could not
take it out... my cancer is called "Carcinoid cancer and I also have the
syndrome that goes along with it" I also have alot of difficulty swallowing
and have to go back on Monday to Fox Chase Cancer Center in Philadelphia to
see why.. (needless to say I am scared to death) I am 46 and female. Do you
know of any alternative things that I should be doing.. or someone that could
help me cure this?? Right now they are giving me nothing as they say that
this type of cancer does not respond well to chemo... they don't know how long
that I have had this so it is hard to tell how long I have left to live...
right now I am taking sp6 with inositol, macro force, wobenzym and esssiac
tea... I tried the macrobiotic diet but it made me feel horrible... I was so
shaky and weak that I had a hard time even cooking it.. I stronger now because
I am eating some protein but still try to basically stay close to that diet..
I;m not sure if its good or bad because the doctors are telling me that
anything fermented (miso, tofu, soy sauce) makes the carcinoid syndrome
worse... I have chronic diahrrea from it... it's just AWFUL>>> I am really
scared and could use any info that you would be willing to share with me...
thank you very, very much for your time in reading this... Sue..
Dear Susan,
First, there are many who perform miracles in cancer treatment who would agree with me that the "type" of cancer has nothing to do with the cure -- that doctors find ways to describe "types" of cancer as rare -- for whatever reason -- but that the non-drug cures are most often non-specific as to type.
I ascribe to this, and would not acknowledge that one form of cancer is to be treated differently than another.
If you are willing to consider this, then, consider Taheebo Tea.
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Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 5:40 AM
To: karl@karlloren.com
Subject: Re: Message For Vibrant Life From The Home Section
Karl,
Thank you soooo much for your response!! Your advice will be definately followed... I will buy this Taheebo tea, I am going to go back and look over the files again to see if there is a place to mail order it... (I, of course, have never heard of it..) Does it come with directions?? How long should I take it?? and how much?? (Sorry, I'm nothing but questions..) Thank you so much for all the info .. it will keep me busy researching (this keeps me less anxious) Thanx!! Sue
Dear Sue,
Wow!! that's alot of pills but if it works.. so what!!! Right now they can see the tumors in the liver (supposedly thats the only place it is right now.. but I go back tommorow because I'm having alot of trouble swallowing... so we shall see... I get anothe CT scan in January, hopefully, they will see a difference.. I was on the macrobiotic diet but got so weak on it that now I am including some protein.. I am feeling a little stronger but this makes the swallowing worse and the diarhrrea is just awful!! I take it that this tea does not work for everyone??? Right now I am takin SP_6 with inositol, Essiac tea, macro force and wobenzym... what do you think?? should I stop this and just take the other tea??? You have no idea how much I appreciate your help!! Thank you, Sue
Dear Sue,
Dear Sue,
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Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 3:24 PM
To: karl@karlloren.com
Subject: Re: Message For Vibrant Life From The Home Section
You are sooo nice to be writing to me... I feel so much better!! Anyway, the things I have been writing to you about are all natural products that the health food store suggested to me...
[Karl Loren] The word "natural" has no useful meaning, of course, but I understand what you are saying.Essiac tea is a mixture of Burdock root, sheep sorrel, slippery elm bark, turkish rhubarb root, red clover, blessed thistle, kelp and watercress and is the original blend from Rene Caisse (a nurse,canadian indian who says it is the tea that cures cancer --I have talked to people who actually have been cured on it, these people , however, had breast cancer but I guess its for all types)The SP 6 with inositol is a newer thing that claims of shrinking tumors.. it is made with rice bran I think. Wobenzym is an enzyme which supposedly eats away cancer cells outer cores so that they die (I think thats how she explained it, anyway) Since reading your emails though I have now added barleygreen.. (my sister takes it.. she just gave me a jar of it.. (it's not bad and has actually made my stomach feel like its not on FIRE as much) Is Taheebo tea the same thing as Paul D'Arco??
[Karl Loren] Yes. Also, ipe RojaI only saw the capsules on the site you sent me... is this the best way to take it??
[Karl Loren] It is the only way I have it -- I have not seen an extract other than mine on the market.how about tinture or regular tea???
[Karl Loren] Regular tea? One of my capsules is equivalent to about 6 cups of tea. Forty capsules, then, would be about 240 cups of tea.Tincture could be OK, I've just not seen them, only heard of them, don't know how concentrated they are -- and of course they are in alcohol.I was on a life force international site and saw the tinture .. isn't that the company that was in your emails (or not??)
[Karl Loren] No. Life Force is probably an MLM -- high prices indeed.The taheebo I recommend is on my site, at: http://www.oralchelation.com/shopcart/productssel.htmI am going to order the capsules from the site (but if you have the other I would rather start with the regular tea)
[Karl Loren] Regular tea would be bark that you buy in many stores, boil or seep, and drink the tea -- it would take a lot.that you suggested since you wrote about the quality and stuff about some of the other ones... Your articles were soooo interesting... I told my sister the other day that I know that there are cures out there for cancer but what would the Big cancer centers (like the one that I'm going to) do if they were to actually admit to it... oops,. they'd close... I agree with everything you say in that email and to say the least it makes me SOOO angry because the surgery that I had to go through was not too "nice". (its SOOO unfair) anyway... the only diet I saw was the raw foods one (no details)
[Karl Loren] I think you saw an introductory page -- you need to click on the link -- the long article is many pages, and has hundreds of more links.so if your eating eggs in the morning I guess that I need that diet so if you would be sooo very kind to email that to me I would greatly appreciate it..My sister takes Paul d'arco tea (the actual tea) and finds that she feels pretty good allthe time (she isn't sick.. maybe that's why) anyway.. My diet right now consists of the macrobiotic plan... you know.. mostly WHOLE grains,
[Karl Loren] grains are almost all carbohydrates which all turn to sugar in the body. You need more protein.some vegetable, miso soup(yuck), tofu, soy sauce but like I said I needed protein (I have been hypoglycemic my whole adult life) and was getting to so weak and shaky on it that I added some protein on my own.
[Karl Loren] What protein?Like I said before I AM SO CONFUSED NOW THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT I SHOULD BE EATING SO I AM KINDA BACKING OFF FROM EATING TOO MUCH BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GET ANY WORSE.. I always thought that beets were suppose to be good for cancer
[Karl Loren] Perhaps, but sugar is not. Beets are carbohydrates are sugar.but it is not included in the macrobiotic diet... the diets ok if you were raised in Japan on this stuff but if not it is SOOO HARD!! the food just is pretty much disgusting (did you ever taste miso??)
[Karl Loren] I don't think of it as food.anyway, I would like to see your diet, perhaps that would help me ... once again, thank you , thank you... I have stopped crying and started hoping... you are more than kind and I REALLY appreciate your help! Sue
Well, time to move onto some survival activities, Sue.Stick with me -- write again.
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 6:47 AM
The protein I have added is an egg in the morning (cooked) (??)
[Karl Loren] Better than most people get -- three eggs would be better.and some meat...For a very long time I have been pretty much following the Atkins diet (not sure if you ever heard of it)
[Karl Loren] You still must not have read all my diet? Yes, I think Adkins is a good diet -- I comment on it in my article.but it has been the best for my Hypoglycemia.. (I have true low blood sugar .. sometimes it can go down to 32) I went to see him as a matter of fact about 8 years ago because I had Lymes disease and subsoquently ended up with Chronic Fatigue Syndrom (which I still suffer from)
[Karl Loren] Sue, you suffer, also, from too much "knowledge" of false information.However, the docs at fox chase cancer center say that I have probably had this tumor in my colonfor about 5 to 10 years because this type of cancer is so slow growing they just think that I have had this "carcinoid Syndrome" for that long... but Dr. Atkins was very nice and said I had the worst case of Epstein Barr virus he had ever seen and stuck me on mega doses of Vit C.. that helped a little but I soon ran out of money and had to stop going to see him...(he had me on ALOT of stuff) (if only I could win the lottery) anyway.. I stayed on his diet pretty much... (I eat no sugar or anything containing it) sooo who knows if thats right... from what I can see from your diet sight it looks like you pretty much follow something like that only he doesn't juice...
[Karl Loren] Juice? I don't recommend juices.(do you think I should be)... I am ordering the taheebo tea on Friday (my husband is getting is check then, I have been spending ALOT of money on this other stuff (sp6 with inositol is 102.00, essiac is 39.99, wobenzym is 32.00 , and the macro force is 64.99) and this stuff doesn't last long... I am on disability right now so you can only imagine... but my husband says whatever because he loves me soo much (we have been married 30 years- he was 21 and I was 17) my children (2 boys) are 29 and 21 so at least if anything bad happens I got to raise them... but my youngest is having a big problem with it all and cries alot..
[Karl Loren] There is something wrong here. Often this means he (or you) have fallen into the hands of psychs, and anti-depressants. If so, that must be eliminated, or nothing else will work. I refuse to sell any of my products to any person taking an anti-depressant -- why? They are trying to die, using the drug. I cannot help someone who is trying to die.(he's 6'1) so you can just imagine what that does to my heart... anyway... I am going to fox chase today because of my difficulty swallowing (it is even affecting my breath a little) hopefully they won't tell me I have it in my esophoguas (didn't spell that right) ... I am VERY nervous... but thanks alot for you imput.. I have really appreciated it and am still searching around your sites...
*Question* >On one of your sites it says that in order for the paul d'arco tea to be effective it has to be boiled for 8 to 10 minutes..
[Karl Loren] No, I don't say that. I may have quoted someone, but I don't even recall that statement.There are different opinions. In my extraction we never raise the temperature -- I don't think this tea should be boiled -- although most people do that.If you want to "make" tea, it would take for ever to just allow the bark to "seep" in warm water -0- boiling is faster.I believe that damages the ingredients.My extract is made without raising the temperature, using alcohol and glycerine as solvents, getting rid of the alcohol in a vacuum chamber --. how does that work with capsules... are these already processed (or brewed) it certainly would be easier than drinking 200 + cups of tea a day~!! YIKES!!
[Karl Loren] The extract looks like brown mud -- it is then mixed with ground up taheebo bark so it will "flow" into a capsule. There is still glycerine in the extract, but no alcohol.
my husband wants to know how many people you know that have actually been CURED by this method..
[Karl Loren] Just about everyone who writes to me, having used it, got "cured." The failures don't write, of course, and I don't know.(or does it just help with pain??) I am not in any pain at the moment. Like I said it is only affecting 10% of my liver right now but now is when I would like to get rid of it if at all possible... I also am taking Collodial minerals (didn't spell that right either)
[Karl Loren] If those are Clarks Minerals, they are honest -- probably no one else has an honest product. I know Tom Clark and that whole story -- it is sordid.but feel that this is making me feel a little stronger to because I think I'm just losing everything from not being able to keep anything in me for long (part of the carcinoid syndrome) oh well.. have taken enough of your time and appreciate it very much!! Will be ordering the tea on Friday.. thanks alot, Sue.
[Karl Loren]Sue, you have complex problems, greatly increased in complexity by your "certain" knowledge about medical matters that undoubtedly contain lies.IN such situations I strongly recommend that you go toward simplicity. Taheebo is NOT a simplicity.A simplicity would be diet and water -- possibly exercise and sauna.People with complex problems look for complex solutions. Wrong! That is one of the problems with medicine today -- looking for more and more complex solutions. People look for complexities so that they can have an excuse for failure.I would suggest you NOT get Taheebo, and get onto simplicity -- diet would be most basic.Read, again, my diet stuff -- see how far down that page you can go, with agreement, and let me know.You have too much faith in false gods. To many people are influencing your life, and you stumble from one to the next, looking for whoever will promise the most. (Let your husband read this message -- he will agree.)No sugar, but remember that carbohydrates are all sugar after digestion.When you can get to eliminating any processed foods of any type, you are approaching the simplicity of life.Information is more valuable than pills. Honest information is rare.False information will do you more harm than drugs.Regards,Karl
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 5:57 PM
To: karl@karlloren.com
Subject: Re: Message For Vibrant Life From The Home Section
Thanx for the info... No one in my family uses anti depressants or "psychs" .
[Karl Loren] Good to hear.Years ago , when I was first diagnosed with all these "trash can diseases that no one
seems to know what to do with" they sent me to a "psych" and I went because I was desperate to be well.. (my youngest was only 10 and I was too weak to walk in a mall with him or take him to the park or any of his games) This doctor did order me an antidepressant because he said it was all in my head... sooo,. I took it.. (it was prozac) this drug made me feel so totally hopeless and lifeless that after 2 weeks I stopped taking it on my own and when I went back he wanted to put me on zoloft and I said no way... and started to look for vitamins and things to try to help me..
[Karl Loren] Even two weeks could have done some serious, even permanent damage. You need to clean the remnants of that Prozac out of your system -- but that would probably not be urgent just yet.Atkins helped somewhat, but even he was stumped. (this kind of thing tends to get even the most stoutest person depressed. ) (My sons are really very positive, smart and happy people.. I have NEVER had any drug or drinking problems with them ..they are just upset right now because my diagnosis )I never did go back to the shrink and never did take any more antidepressants but even after all these vitamins and what not I still had "rubber legs" all the time... Perhaps your right and I should just stick to simplicity.. God only knows how many "doctors" I went to trying to get better... Who knows if these diseases are real or not..
[Karl Loren] It is not a useful distinction. If you feel the pain, the pain is "real." The pain may well originate in your mind, but it is still pain. The solution may well be honest mental help, but psychs don't do that. The solution may also include honest mental help AND honest physical handling.I only know what kind of symptoms I had from them... I am better now (even though I have cancer I don't feel as bad as I did then) I attribute this to time.. that is all. These Collodial minerals are making me feel very strong though.. maybe that's what I needed the whole time... wouldn't that be something... the minerals I bought are called Liquid Life. I don't know who they are by...I will try the tea anyway.. I am not giving up now.
[Karl Loren] Persistence is a virtue.If I sound complicated or complex it is only because that is what I have gone through.. sorry. Anyway, thanx for all the info I will take my time and go through it all (there is alot of stuff and I thought I saw juicing but I have been skiming through stuff because there is sooo much... ) I will stick with the Atkins diet since that is what I feel best on right now until I get done reading through all your stuff.. Thanks, Sue
[Karl Loren] Keep me posted.Karl Loren
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